First cycle advice - A bit of a long read. Any help appreciated.

[RodrigueZz]

Well I would not be doing it alone. I would be incorporating it into my current lifestyle. I already work out everyday. Just because I may be more knowledgeable about bodybuilding in the future and that added knowledge may benefit me does not mean that doing a cycle now is inherently wrong. With that logic you could argue that I should not speak because in a few years my understanding of language and communication skills will be stronger leading to a better final product. Anything now would be inferior to it so why speak at all now? Furthermore, you could constantly use that reason because the future always represents a potential improvement. Even at 35, I could learn more about fitness because I will not know everything. So at 35 AAS is a bad idea because if I wait until 40 I will be better prepared for it?

A future potential for a superior result does not seem like a good reason to postpone the pursuit of a particular interest.

 

[buddhabuilder]

Using AAS can stunt your eventual achievements, because they may undermine your bodies ability to manifest it's maximum potential. We are talking biology here, not philosophy. Hey, I'm the Buddha....

 

[-SD-]

"under 21. Well its prett frowned on but its best if you are over 21 for a number of reasons."
-needtogetaas

By the summer I will be 21. How is this too young? Arnold was Mr. Olympia at 22 which means he was already well into it by then as that kind of progress does not happen over night.

Are you seriously comparing your situation to the greatest bodybuilder of all time?
Bringing up Arnold is like winning the lottery, it aint gonna happen for you like it did for Arnold. Just like your average pickup game wont have the next Michael Jordan. Arnold had the greatest genetics, work ethic, ability to react to roids extremely favorably, the list is endless.
21 is too young because your endocrine system isnt settled and set yet, and your natural Test levels should be sky high right now. If you do roids now you risk blowing out your HPTA and be shackled to a needle every week when you have to inject Test for life.

If you want a reality check search this board for all the guys who hit the roids too young and regret it big time

 

[RodrigueZz]

Using AAS can stunt your eventual achievements, because they may undermine your bodies ability to manifest it's maximum potential. We are talking biology here, not philosophy. Hey, I'm the Buddha....

It is I, Jesus. I have come to steal your thunder, Buddha.

That is a better argument though. I do not know much about the dangers and the last thing I want is permanent irreversible damage that will worsen my quality of life.

At what point does the body become physical ready though? I am fairly certain my bones have already fused together. Hormone wise I only see myself getting worse from here. Am I really going to grow more?


The thing is, doing the EC stack and seeing how much a supplement can help has made me question how far humans, or more so myself, can really push go naturally. Every cut I have done before this left me looking scrawny and now I have managed to get lean and maintain the muscle and my mind is blown.

While my current approach is different from previous ones (no longer do cardio everyday for hours and carb intake is much lower) I'm not sure if I can attribute it all to that. That being said, if AAS is not a feasible option currently then where do I go in terms of supplementation?

 

[RodrigueZz]

Are you seriously comparing your situation to the greatest bodybuilder of all time?
Bringing up Arnold is like winning the lottery, it aint gonna happen for you like it did for Arnold. Just like your average pickup game wont have the next Michael Jordan. Arnold had the greatest genetics, work ethic, ability to react to roids extremely favorably, the list is endless.
21 is too young because your endocrine system isnt settled and set yet, and your natural Test levels should be sky high right now. If you do roids now you risk blowing out your HPTA and be shackled to a needle every week when you have to inject Test for life.

If you want a reality check search this board for all the guys who hit the roids too young and regret it big time

Ronnie Coleman has won 8, Arnie only 7. Him being the best is extremely debatable.

Also, he is not the only one. Many prominent bodybuilders start young. Haney won his first Olympia at 23. With this in mind the idea that starting young is necessary a bad idea is flawed. Many people do it and see great success. This does not necessarily mean I will but it does not necessarily mean I won't either.

 

[lithium1189]

You said your diet is inconsistent and being a student you can't afford buying supplements consistently either. Going into aas with these handicaps is just pointless. This shit is expensive, juice, supplements, pct, food. Get your diet in check and train hard. AAS is kind of an all in thing or your wasting time, money and health.

And I wouldn't ever try comparing Arnold or any mr Olympia athlete to anyone here, those guys are in a league of their own.

 

[buddhabuilder]

Mid to late twenties is usually a time when your natural hormones start to settle down. You can make great gains tweaking your training and diet until then. Like I said, write up a new, researched routine and post it in that section. We will work with you to make it the best it can be.

 

[-SD-]

Ronnie Coleman has won 8, Arnie only 7. Him being the best is extremely debatable.

Also, he is not the only one. Many prominent bodybuilders start young. Haney won his first Olympia at 23. With this in mind the idea that starting young is necessary a bad idea is flawed. Many people do it and see great success. This does not necessarily mean I will but it does not necessarily mean I won't either.

Ronnie, Arnold, Dorian, Jay, it doesnt matter they are all world class all time greats. They arent like you or I or anyone on this board so get those delusions of grandeur out of your head. If your plan is to just start cycling and see what happens that is a bad idea at your age for the reasons already listed. The risk of damage is obviously far greater than the chance you will be the next Arnold or Ronnie. But what do I know, Im 38 and used to be in your exact situation and Im damn glad I waited. You dont have the advantage of being a decade or so older and looking back on it all.

 

[MattJS]

To get the best out of AAS use you'd need to be spending $150 a week on groceries alone, over the course of a year this lifestyle costs serious money bro, why not spend a few years taking advantage of your natural hormones instead of going through health risks side effects and incredible expense when you could obviously benefit greatly from learning more about diet and training? If you run a cycle now it'll be a waste of time because you won't eat or train correctly to make it work, because you haven't put the years in that it takes to find out what works for you....

 

[-SD-]

To get the best out of AAS use you'd need to be spending $150 a week on groceries alone, over the course of a year this lifestyle costs serious money bro, why not spend a few years taking advantage of your natural hormones instead of going through health risks side effects and incredible expense when you could obviously benefit greatly from learning more about diet and training? If you run a cycle now it'll be a waste of time because you won't eat or train correctly to make it work, because you haven't put the years in that it takes to find out what works for you....

+1
This game is basically 100% disposable income, meaning its a complete luxury and you wont get far if you dont have the extra money for food and supps, not to mention gear costs.
There arent a lot of bodybuilders living below the poverty line.