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OK OT,

If you've been training since 1982, based on your original question, you're knowledge is limited with regard to diet, training and AAS.

I'd suggest the archives here (searches) to begin with. Most of what you ask has been discussed at length.

But to touch on some of this again.

"I have now been on stanazol for three weeks in the hope to reduce my body fat!"

1) It will take at least 4 - 6 weeks to begin to see the cosmetic effects of AAS.

2) While some AAS have been shown to be lipolytic in the literature (and this gets very complex in terms of mechanisms), AAS are not simply taken for the purpose of getting leaner. These drugs have significant side effects and the doses you're taking are likely to produce them (do a search). Moreover, those sides don't become evident for a few weeks and become more progressive over time.

"Thus far I have not seen any positive results, I train twice daily morning and night with a combination of cardio and weight training (mainly cardio approx a 70/30 split)."

Your split should be 30/70, cardio/resistance respectively, and the resistance should be a serious bodybuilder/power style routine. Yes you're going to put on muscle, but you'll also get leaner.

"My dosage of Stanazol has been 1cc twice a week, Is this enough? I also have a dose of Sustanon "100" once every three weeks, Is this ok?"

That total dose is about what clinicians would a give a female to male transsexual to fully virilize her to a man over a period of a few months.

Is that OK?

Better do some more research and get off the juice.

You could probably meet most of your goals with a change in diet (rotating carbs) and a hard core bodybuilder style training program, and how do you define correct protein?

W6
 
Ok ill let out my best kept secret i'm 44!
My eating plan is the following
the average day
coffee - Morn
tuna - Mid Morn
Vegies - Lunch
Chicken / Rice- Dinner

My training is the following

Mon - Cardio

Tues - Cardio (morn)
Chest (night)

Wed - Cardio (morn)
Back (night)
Cardio(night)

Thurs - Cardio (morn)
Shoulders (night)
Cardio (night)

Fri - Cardio(morn)
Arms (Night)
Cardio (night)

Sat - Cardio (morn)
 
offtapper said:
Ok ill let out my best kept secret i'm 44!
My eating plan is the following
the average day
coffee - Morn
tuna - Mid Morn
Vegies - Lunch
Chicken / Rice- Dinner




That is your problem. You need to eat.

I'm sure Spatts will post her example diet. She is good at that. :o
 
offtapper said:
Ok ill let out my best kept secret i'm 44!
My eating plan is the following
the average day
coffee - Morn
tuna - Mid Morn
Vegies - Lunch
Chicken / Rice- Dinner
You only have Coffee for breakfast then Tuna? Only veggies for lunch? Only chicken and rice for dinner? Where's the FOOD?!! Where's your PROTEIN? IMO your metabolism is... well, you have NO metabolism :rolleyes:

offtapper said:

My training is the following

Mon - Cardio

Tues - Cardio (morn)
Chest (night)

Wed - Cardio (morn)
Back (night)
Cardio(night)

Thurs - Cardio (morn)
Shoulders (night)
Cardio (night)

Fri - Cardio(morn)
Arms (Night)
Cardio (night)

Sat - Cardio (morn)
I'm not even going to try and analyze your training, I'll let spatts take care of this.
 
Yes, at your age and eating/cardio habits it will be very hard for you to lose fat. I REALLY think it would be to your advantage to get your training and diet sorted out before you take AAS. You need more protein, probably carb cycling and maybe more total calories to get your metabolism going again. This board offers you the perfect opportunity to optimize your diet and training. So use us to your advantage and save your liver and facial hair from improper use of winstrol/sust!
 
Oh, BTW, there was a study done ages ago to see if there was any benefit in giving older folks winstrol to help them rehabilitate from injuries. Paradoxically, these patients gained nothing but FAT weight and no fluid or muscle weight after 4 months of winstrol. Just goes to show that what may work for your average 25 year old healthy chick, may have just the opposite effect as you get 'older' (I'm also 44).

There are other studies that show that even young males don't lose fat on winstrol if they are doing lots of cardio. No doubt this is true for women too, though I don't know of any studies that have looked at it specifically in women.

Get your diet and training sorted out!!!!!!!!
 
offt, looks like your antagonizing the effects of the winni...youre cardio-ing yourself to death. 2 x/day?!!!!##@^ ...and another BIG thing... what your entire daily caloric intake is, I have at one sitting! girl you need to eat, train HEAVIER than you thought possible (2-6 reps) and cut back on that cardio. the muscle you gain WILL replace the fat-eventually. it takes a while-be patient. and be careful with that winni. you dont wanna have to add triming your beard to your morning bathroom habits...
 
MS said:
Oh, BTW, there was a study done ages ago to see if there was any benefit in giving older folks winstrol to help them rehabilitate from injuries. Paradoxically, these patients gained nothing but FAT weight and no fluid or muscle weight after 4 months of winstrol. Just goes to show that what may work for your average 25 year old healthy chick, may have just the opposite effect as you get 'older' (I'm also 44).

There are other studies that show that even young males don't lose fat on winstrol if they are doing lots of cardio. No doubt this is true for women too, though I don't know of any studies that have looked at it specifically in women.

Get your diet and training sorted out!!!!!!!!

Could the "fat effect" in older women apply to other AAS or is it limited to winny IYO?? I am 40 (as most of you know) and did not see fat gain on winny, got rather good results. Deca on the other hand seems to pack on the pounds and they are FAT pounds with no appreciable change in diet or training.
 
"Could the "fat effect" in older women apply to other AAS or is it limited to winny IYO?"

Most AAS can cause a redistribution in fat (from sub-Q to visceral) at any age. Many women are temporarily happy with this since that kinda redistribution in fat=lean thighs and butt (traded off with a beer belly!!).

The age thing is not clear. Without a doubt, somewhere past 40 drug metabolism changes (for the worse). But in general, AAS such as nandrolone AND winny are at least anabolic, though total fat mass may stay the same if your diet's not in order, you should at least gain SOME muscle. Other than that, there was one study that gave deca to elderly frail women with hip fractures. It basically didn't do anything (good or bad) to their body comp at a whopping 2mg/kg/week (this works out to 120mg per week for a 130lb female !!!!!).

Of course, if diet and training is not in order, then you can easily gain fat on ANY AAS at ANY age. This is kinda what this thread is really about. Getting priorities sorted out.

Anecdotally a lot of women complain about fluid gain with deca. There is still soooooo much we don't know about synthetic AAS, for instance there may be some folks (due to genetic reasons) whose bodies perceive deca as basically progesterone which is only mildly anabolic but very good at packing on the fat! Of course, if this is what your body is 'seeing' when you take deca, you would normally also expect some fluid retention. The best advice is to avoid it if you know for sure it doesn't work well for you. BUT make sure this is based on solid, reliable, body composition measurements rather than just feeling 'fat' like most women are prone to when in fact they are just premenstrual and retaining fluid.
 
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