Fat but not eating enough........help!!!!

[NegroPops]

I have read up on them, I know what they are, and I disagree with them. I don't think putting your body in a state of ketosis is a good thing at all. Will it burn fat..? Yes, but it also has to use our protein and amino acids for fuel for the brain, which takes those away from going to our muscles. I do not see how having your body in a state of starvation promotes any type of anabolic activity, sorry.

 

[WolfpackAlpha]

I have read up on them, I know what they are, and I disagree with them. I don't think putting your body in a state of ketosis is a good thing at all.

You can disagree all you want, but you can't disagree with science and results.

Will it burn fat..? Yes, but it also has to use our protein and amino acids for fuel for the brain, which takes those away from going to our muscles.

You clearly don't understand ketosis, as you're claiming it uses amino acids for fuel, are you kidding? First of all, a ketogenic state is a metabolic shift where you are using triglycerides and free fatty acids for fuel (ketone form); meaning, you are using fat for energy. Ketosis is protein sparing (again something you don't know), so it helps you preserve muscle tissue while burning bodyfat. In addition, you seem to no understand CKD, bodyopus or even evolutionary/TKD principles which use supercompensation; thus, there are phases for refeeds which turn a body highly anabolic without the use of steroids.

Again, do some research before putting out false data.

I do not see how having your body in a state of starvation promotes any type of anabolic activity, sorry.

Yet again, you're ignorant on the topic. High carb diets spike insulin and lower growth hormone levels; combine them with caloric deficits and your body will start using protein (your muscles) for energy along with depleting leptin levels - this spells disaster.

 

[gjohnson5]

Well I guess I need to rered bodyopus again.
I have never been a fan of ketogenic diets because what negropops explains is exactly what happens to me.
The roles of Leucine, valine and isoleucine (more so valine and isoleucine) is that they are used muscles for fuel in the absence of carbohydrates. The way you stop that is be eating carbs. Going low carb simply reduces my performance since my muscles are mostly type II and are looking for glycogen as a fuel source. Going on a low carb diet does not automatically switch PPAR into a fat only burning state. Infact I think that is misinformation if bodyopus has stated without evidence that anyone despite genetics can simply cut the carbs out of thier diet and the body will automatically switch to a fat only burning state. I disagree. The body will still be looking for carb sources for for use of type II muscle fiber. Eliminating carbs does mean amino acids get oxidized for fuel.

 

[WolfpackAlpha]

Well I guess I need to rered bodyopus again.
I have never been a fan of ketogenic diets because what negropops explains is exactly what happens to me.
The roles of Leucine, valine and isoleucine (more so valine and isoleucine) is that they are used muscles for fuel in the absence of carbohydrates. The way you stop that is be eating carbs. Going low carb simply reduces my performance since my muscles are mostly type II and are looking for glycogen as a fuel source. Going on a low carb diet does not automatically switch PPAR into a fat only burning state. Infact I think that is misinformation if bodyopus has stated without evidence that anyone despite genetics can simply cut the carbs out of thier diet and the body will automatically switch to a fat only burning state. I disagree. The body will still be looking for carb sources for for use of type II muscle fiber. Eliminating carbs does mean amino acids get oxidized for fuel.

If you're looking for high intensity performance (ex: a lot of intense cardio), you might have to run a modified TKD and Bodyopus - an anabolic/evo hybrid; timing the carbs and supercompensation around your high intensity cardio (or whatever it may be).

Ketogenic states are discussed in a myriad of scientific journals and medical publications - none of this is your or my view; this is medical fact. While, in theory, you can lower your carbs and hope ketosis comes; in reality, it's best to follow a higher fat diet which allows for a faster metabolic switch.

Over half the dieters who start any ketogenic diet, don't finish it because the first 2 weeks are terrible (it's much easier after the 2 when the metabolic shift happens). At the same time, most guys are not running ketogenic variations correctly; therefore, they suffer badly. They think they "low carb" and get into ketosis automatically, that's not true at all - you need to run a proper anabolic or bodyopus diet to get into ketosis fast. The use of high protein during a low carb diet will prevent ketosis because the body easily utilizes protein at a 58% rate. (ref below)

Jungas RL et. al. Quantitative analysis of amino acid oxidation and related gluconeogenesis in humans. Physiological Reviews (1992) 72: 419-448

 

[2tickets]

If you're looking for high intensity performance (ex: a lot of intense cardio), you might have to run a modified TKD and Bodyopus - an anabolic/evo hybrid; timing the carbs and supercompensation around your high intensity cardio (or whatever it may be).

Ketogenic states are discussed in a myriad of scientific journals and medical publications - none of this is your or my view; this is medical fact. While, in theory, you can lower your carbs and hope ketosis comes; in reality, it's best to follow a higher fat diet which allows for a faster metabolic switch.

Over half the dieters who start any ketogenic diet, don't finish it because the first 2 weeks are terrible (it's much easier after the 2 when the metabolic shift happens). At the same time, most guys are not running ketogenic variations correctly; therefore, they suffer badly. They think they "low carb" and get into ketosis automatically, that's not true at all - you need to run a proper anabolic or bodyopus diet to get into ketosis fast. The use of high protein during a low carb diet will prevent ketosis because the body easily utilizes protein at a 58% rate. (ref below)

Jungas RL et. al. Quantitative analysis of amino acid oxidation and related gluconeogenesis in humans. Physiological Reviews (1992) 72: 419-448

HELP!!! Im currently switching over to a ketogenic.diet........Ive calculated my maintenance bmr knocked off 500cal and switched my ratios around (35% pro 63% fat 2% carb)........but although i look leaner the fat scales seem to suggest i am getting fatter i.e. The % on the scales has increased!!!!

Should i further reduce my overall calories by 500and/or reduce the fat content of my diet further still???

Your advice would be greatly appreciated?!!!!!!!!

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[NegroPops]

you are carb depleted so you are going to appear flat/smaller in the mirror.

 

[gjohnson5]

HELP!!! Im currently switching over to a ketogenic.diet........Ive calculated my maintenance bmr knocked off 500cal and switched my ratios around (35% pro 63% fat 2% carb)........but although i look leaner the fat scales seem to suggest i am getting fatter i.e. The % on the scales has increased!!!!

Should i further reduce my overall calories by 500and/or reduce the fat content of my diet further still???

Your advice would be greatly appreciated?!!!!!!!!

Sent from my GT-I9100 using EliteFitness

Some people's body are predisposed to using anaerobic glycolsis for energy. Removing the carbs from the diet does not eliminate the muscles use of anaerobic glycolsis (oxidation of glucose or glycogen for ATP production) for energy , nor does it switch PPAR (especially PPAR Alpha and PPAR Gamma) into a fat only burning mode. You could decrease fat content and increase protein content in your diet. Expect the amino acids from the protein to be oxidized for fuel (gluconeogenesis) in replacement for carbs.

 

[WolfpackAlpha]

HELP!!! Im currently switching over to a ketogenic.diet........Ive calculated my maintenance bmr knocked off 500cal and switched my ratios around (35% pro 63% fat 2% carb)........but although i look leaner the fat scales seem to suggest i am getting fatter i.e. The % on the scales has increased!!!!

Should i further reduce my overall calories by 500and/or reduce the fat content of my diet further still???

Your advice would be greatly appreciated?!!!!!!!!

Sent from my GT-I9100 using EliteFitness

A few things. First , how did you calculate your caloric intake, you need to look at BMR (weight x 12) - 10%. Simple formula would be: Weight x 12 x 0.90 = daily calories
Don't just knock off a flat # like 500 without doing the numbers.

Second, you have nothing to worry about, If you're using a measuring scale like Tanita, the readings are often false. Tanita scales show the impact of dehydration on weight; as, in general, fat % increase when you're dehydrated and drop when you're hydrated. I suggest you stay away from any scales for at least the first 4 weeks of the diet.

Third, increase your liquid intake (water) and psyllium husk. In addition, take it easy on this diet - CKDs are very fluid and require patience and personal attention to detail. Keep working hard at it, don't stress a lot and follow your game-plan. In the end, you'll get all the results you want and more.