Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below Imnotdutch, I totally agree with you. You are familiar with my bulking and cutting diets all over the women's board, and my opinion that fat is just more weight to move (concrete supports more weight than mud). I, too, eat plenty, but not too much, just what I need based on what my body is telling me. One of the things I like best about my training is that I seem to be able to eat enough to train hard, and stay lean at the same time. When I start cutting for my BB comp in December I have no plans to change my training for this very reason. In terms of strength, there's a happy medium for me where I'm eating enough to keep strength, but lean enough to be FAST, which is more important to me. I feel like I get more out of being fast, than any additional leverage gain from fat would afford. The best part is, my body just seems to fall into it naturally, as you said, as long as I'm pay attention to its needs.
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DBCooper
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EAT SLEEP GET STRONG! Personally I eat everything and anything as long as it's alot of it. Having a little fat on you helps your leverage and protects you from injury, to much fat and your just fat and in a bigger weight class. Learning to eat is alot harder than most think, at some meets you can have a 24 hr weigh-in,that means a day to fuel your body. I have gained 15 lbs in a day and have seen some gain 25lbs in a day and that is without being starved and dehydrated even though weight gain would be just as extreme from that as well. Tighter suits and shirts along with all the energy you need is the result.
latinus_spicticus said:
Back in the early 90's Leo Coasta traveled to Bulgaria to speak with their coaches...to determine how they produced so many top level weightlifters. When the discussion turned to diet the coach stated that they kept their lifters diet's above 35% fat. When Leo asked if they were concerened with the effects of the high fat level on their athletes arteries. He was replied to with a confused look by the coach. The coach said they were only interested in producing the strongest athletes...not necessarily the healthiest. He went on to say that when his athletes fat intake dropped below 30% of thier diet that their strength was reduced by up to 15%.
On a related note..Hamburger Helper now comes in a larger size. 50% MORE FREE!!
1 Box of Hamburger Helper
2lbs of Ground Beef
1 Gallon of Chocolate Milk.
6000+ calories for less than $8 a day. Eight bucks....you can spend that much on a fast food lunch. Just supplement your vitamins and minerals and I promise you will get stronger. I am actually surprised by the results I have gotten eaten like this. I was expecting to gain weight and get stronger. However with all the excessive insulin I thought for sure I would have gotten much softer. However, this is not really the case. I have gained 20lbs or more in the last couple months...with the strength gain to go with it...and at the same time I have stayed at the relatively the same bf%. I am in no way "lean"...but a very high percentage of the weight I have put on from eating like this has been muscle mass.
FOOD IS ANABOLIC
latinus_spicticus
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Hannibal,
That bulgaria/leo costa thing is where I got the idea that fats are a very important component of diet WRT strength. I've also heard stories of the Greek olympic weightlifting team's diet. Supposedly, in addition to a diet already high in fats, the coaches demand that the weightlifters consume one kilogram of cheese per day. 2 pounds of cheese per day! And, IIRC, the superheavies had to eat 3 kilos of cheese per day! Mind you, this was in the offseason and the source of info is not 100 percent reliable, but this could explain their ability to work out multiple sessions per day, 6 days per week and get STRONG! I tried this approach when I first read about it-- I lasted about a week before I could no longer stomach any cheese. Believe me, I can down food like a starved junkyard dog, but I couldn't keep up with the kilo/day of cheese supplementation. That shit was expensive, too. I'd rather down a few ounces of olive oil than do that again.
That bulgaria/leo costa thing is where I got the idea that fats are a very important component of diet WRT strength. I've also heard stories of the Greek olympic weightlifting team's diet. Supposedly, in addition to a diet already high in fats, the coaches demand that the weightlifters consume one kilogram of cheese per day. 2 pounds of cheese per day! And, IIRC, the superheavies had to eat 3 kilos of cheese per day! Mind you, this was in the offseason and the source of info is not 100 percent reliable, but this could explain their ability to work out multiple sessions per day, 6 days per week and get STRONG! I tried this approach when I first read about it-- I lasted about a week before I could no longer stomach any cheese. Believe me, I can down food like a starved junkyard dog, but I couldn't keep up with the kilo/day of cheese supplementation. That shit was expensive, too. I'd rather down a few ounces of olive oil than do that again.
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t3c
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i eat a hamburger helper pretty often its so fuckin salty though
it makes me so thirsty =\
it makes me so thirsty =\
There are different kinds of fats too, as you all know. I don't know anyone that's going to advance arterial plaque from Dr. Udos, natty pb, fish, or avocado. I get at least 50g of fat day, I just try not to take it with carbs. Over 50% of it is Udos. I eat a helluva lot of food, but it's almost ALL clean (save for the ME squat day cheddar pepper fetish 
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beercan89 said:
Carb rotating is exactly what I do. Only I do constant protein and fat, and variable carb. It works no matter what I'm doing....cutting to 8% or just trying not to blow up while gaining strength.
Like you said, it just makes sense. Your AMR changes day to day, so your energy (read: carb) requirements do too.
latinus_spicticus said:
I am gonna try that cheese thing. I have a 2 pound bag of mozzerella cheese and I am gonna start today and eat a bag each day. Its only $5 a bag
here is the breakdown for 2 lbs mozzerella
32 servings
fat 6 grams
carbs 1 gram
protein 8 grams
so multiply that by 32 and you get 250 grams of protein for $5 that sounds like a great deal! I am going to need some breath mints I think
