diol's, adro's and my health...

[Wiked_Phatz]

I am somewhat new to lifting and body building. I weigh 200 lbs and have 11% bf. I am looking to gain more and was wondering if andro and the diol's were considered natural? I am currently supplementing with protein and creatine and take Adipo for fat loss. Any advice on the diol's, andro and the likes would be greatly appreciated. If you have links to sites that show me research and studies that would be great. I know steroids have side effects that I would not like to put my body through..... I am wondering if the diol's andro and all the 19-nor 5andro.....those type of supplements have the same.

 

[Mr.X]

The Steroids That Don't Count…..

Why your "Natural" bodybuilding champion is anything but

By Trevor Smith (very educated man) runs nuclear nutrition



Natural Mr. Olympia's…..Muscle Mania Grand Champions…..hell even some I.F.B.B. Pros like to use the "Natural" title to differentiate themselves from the "enhanced" bodybuilders and show that you can have an "enhanced" look without resorting to the dirty, naughty, bad, bad, bad world of bodybuilding pharmaceuticals.

Creatine, protein powder, amino acids and as of late….MAYBE some pro-hormones. That is all your Natural heroes will say that they use to build their physiques. You see them and think…."Oh my god…if he can do it I can do it" Yeah, he might not be the size of Ronnie Coleman or Dorian Yates…but he's still pretty big and he doesn't have to resort to taking steroids right? WRONG!

You see, the dirty little truth on you favorite NATURAL wonder is that it is a wonder they can look at themselves in the fucking mirror each day without puking. Taking a physique that would get lost in the shuffle if they ditched the "Natural" moniker, these tool sheds use small amounts of deca, primobolan, anavar, G.H. and then use T3 and Clenbuterol to obtain their shredded look. They compete in drug tested shows that are an absolute joke in terms of their drug testing procedures (because actually drug testing all the contestants would cost lots and lots of money) win some contests and then seek publicity for being as good as a large portion of the "Drug using" bodybuilders. They get their little endorsement contracts and appearances and plugs in the magazine extolling the virtues of their "Natural" stance and then quietly load up their G.H. and primobolan so they look nice and pretty for their next photo shoot with the hot fitness model that year.

If I sound pissed it is because this is a fucking disgusting aspect of the sport. I remained natural up until August of 1999. I know what it is like and what it takes to train as a drug free athlete and the thought of some 190lbs prick basking in the glory of being Natural and walking around with their pro card from some Natural organization all the while having used gear (whether in small amounts or not) for the majority of their years spent training makes me want to smash things.

I am all for Natural bodybuilding in its pure form, but how fucking pathetic must someone be to enter a show that has the bulk of the competitors actually being drug free and walk away looking like some "super-freak" because they spent the last six months on a course of gear. Look there is nothing wrong with being Natural and there is nothing wrong with using bodybuilding pharmaceuticals if that is your choice. But taking steroids and bullshitting everyone that you are natural is akin to entering peewee football at the age of 19.

Grow up…be a fucking man…and get it through your head; G.H., Anavar, Primobolan, Deca, Winstrol…etc. are all steroids. Just because you aren't using a testosterone doesn't mean you are natural. Oh, and gobbling up pro-hormones which convert to steroids in the blood stream is no different than jabbing yourself with a syringe full of deca in terms of "ethics"…whatever the hell they may be.
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[Wiked_Phatz]

MR X

I agree.... my question was that are these 19 andro's and norabol and the likes , are they considered natural? And from the response it seems NO.... I want mass, a lot more mass!!! Just like everyone else here huh? I am debating the side effects for myself, should I risk the side effects of these and get the mass. Is there a site or a link that you know that has any information on the side effects and how to cycle these? My interest is mainly in the side effects and if I want them..... I am just looking for some advice and research so I can make an educated decision and KNOW what it is I am taking and what it does.

I feel the same as you do about weasels that claim "natural" but use the juice/gear. I have been lifting and training for a year and I have seen guys come in who have trained for 4-6 months and they seemed to grow faster and bigger than me in that time than I have for a whole year; and cut down faster than anything I have seen. I am sure they use gear, and they claim to be "natural"

Thanks again.....
Wiked

 

[Mr.X]

In my view:
Pro-Hormones=waste of money, the only side effect is the hole in your pocket they burn.

I think you are better off using creating/glutamine/and the most anabolic thing of all FOOD. Plus, utilize the anabolic properties of insulin by having the right amounts of carbs at certain times, hence post-training nutrition, in order to get the best gains.

In conclusion, don't waste your money.
Mr.X

 

[blood_drinker]

Plus, if you are new to training, you will have explosive gains considering you do everything right. Well formulate a diet for you if need be, then you can get your training split fine tuned over @ the training board, and youre set to be bigger than ever.