Creating a new diet, What do you guys think?

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Flaws I find with your argument, Mr. X<

You originally wrote "semi-catabolism", not me.

To be anabolic you have to have an insulin spike thatwould induce fat gain, but if you are not taking in any fat, and are taking ALA with all of the carbs then you would not gain fat.

You say that I am assuming that I would be burning fat, Low intensity cardio with MCT oil and protein would allow for at least some fat burn with minimal or no muscle burn.

Burning fat and gaining muscle is and Oxymoron, but with this diet you are not doing the two at the same time, rather your are burning fat durring your workouts and building muscle afterwards.

I intended this diet to be a bulking while losing fat, not a diet with a calorie deficit.

PS, im not trying to insult you im just trying to pose a good argument.

 

[Mr.X]

Flaws I find with your argument, Mr. X<
lol, it's not an argument it's an attempt to help you

You originally wrote "semi-catabolism", not me.yes, in an attempt to make you undrstand that
"I think in one day you just can't have both anabolism and semi-catabolism" that's my quote re-read

To be anabolic you have to have an insulin spike thatwould induce fat gain, but if you are not taking in any fat, and are taking ALA with all of the carbs then you would not gain fat.
glucose can be shuttled into fat cells, not only fat; that's again a flaw; and even a ton of ALA wouldn't fix a problem w/ not haviing enough free sites for glycogen to go, afterwhich it can go into fat-cells, ALA is not the end to all things

You say that I am assuming that I would be burning fat, Low intensity cardio with MCT oil and protein would allow for at least some fat burn with minimal or no muscle burn.
sure, low intensity cardio w/ protein and MCT would allow for burning of the ingested protein and then maybe fat, depending on the state your body is in - you can't ever say that you'll be burning fat w/ cardio, for you're assuming no gluconeogenesis or high glucagon release which could both be wrong

Burning fat and gaining muscle is and Oxymoron, but with this diet you are not doing the two at the same time, rather your are burning fat durring your workouts and building muscle afterwards.
ok, how's this...try the diet and come back in 12 weeks a post results, it would be the best

I intended this diet to be a bulking while losing fat, not a diet with a calorie deficit. so you're trying to LOSE bodyfat w/ a caloric surplus, again you're breaking the laws of physics: you take in surplus, you gain; you take in a deficit you lose. No matter how you word it, the laws stay. You will be able to LOSE weight, but that weight can be muscle mass (especially w/ you trying to catabolize the body). Again, why listen to me, try it yourself and come back in 12 weeks and post results

PS, im not trying to insult you im just trying to pose a good argument. lol, no argument, just trying to help you and YES I love you too

Mr.X

 

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Assuming you ate only enough good carbs that your muscle could hold, and taking ALA there would be no fat gain. I agree, taking in excess carbs will go to fat, but i dont advise taking in excess carbs, only enough to create a state of anabolism.

Ok, maybe it will burn the protien, but you could just drop the protein shake, and go only on MCT. I dont think that low intensity cardio will require much glucose for your body to begin to breakdown a significant ammount of muscle. CLA will help glucagon release.

Lets pretend that this is a pure cutting diet,
What do you reccomend for optimal fat burn, with maximum glucagon release, besides being in complete Keto?
When do you reccomend cardio to be done, for optimal fat loss and minimal muscle breakdown?
Is cardio after a workout destructive because of the raised cortisol levels?
What do you reccomend taking before a workout or cardio to stimulate fat loss with as little muscle burn as possible?
What suppliments would be benneficial?

Also, anyone else is encouraged to add their comments.

 

[Mr.X]

Assuming you ate only enough good carbs that your muscle could hold, and taking ALA there would be no fat gain. I agree, taking in excess carbs will go to fat, but i dont advise taking in excess carbs, only enough to create a state of anabolism.

Ok, maybe it will burn the protien, but you could just drop the protein shake, and go only on MCT. you'd probably be better off adding some BCAAs toodnt think that low intensity cardio will require much glucose for your body to begin to breakdown a significant ammount of muscle. it depends, energy is energy CLA will help glucagon release. not really, again, no real studies to prove that

Lets pretend that this is a pure cutting diet,
What do you reccomend for optimal fat burn, with maximum glucagon release, besides being in complete Keto? maximum glucagon release would have to be when you have low-insulin, they are inverse hormones, when one is highest the other one is usually lowest: i.e. low-insulin, high-glucagon. The best way would be to be in ketosis; any other way would be to limit carb intake to 100g or less which would automatically put you in ketosis in time
When do you reccomend cardio to be done, for optimal fat loss and minimal muscle breakdown?when insulin is lowest and insulin sensitivity is highest, which is usually in the AM
Is cardio after a workout destructive because of the raised cortisol levels?yes, usually not the best way to go, but can work well while in ketosis
What do you reccomend taking before a workout or cardio to stimulate fat loss with as little muscle burn as possible?you can try Amino loading; before workout take in a thermogenic and some AAs, then 2 sets before the workout is done take some AAs and pump out 2 sets of 50reps for the main muscle group you're working on - then after the workout load up w/ a protein shake, creatine, aas, dextrose

What suppliments would be benneficial?fiber, protein powder, most thermogenics, yohimbine hcl one of the best; all depending on long term goals

Overall, I think your idea can work well, you just have to tweak some things around and it would work. Try doing it in DAY cycling, like my protein/carb cycling manual.

Mr.X

 

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I'm not going to get into this arguement. Take a peak at my low-carb bulking thread for a few pointers.

 

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Does anyone have an opinion on this diet. Is there anything that should be added or subtracted? To me it is logical and should work, although Mr. X disagrees. Does anyone think that this would at all effective.