Changing the whole diet and exercise plan ( cardio on empty stomach )

[VictorBR]

Cardio on empty stomach , but this time I am gonna have to stay on the fat burning range 65 % of MRH because of muscle catabolism , when I used to do it late afternoon I would do high intensity cardio simply because I LIKE to do it , but this time I guess am gonna have to stay away from it . So I gotta couple questions for you guys that do the " empty stomach cardio routine " .

1) Can you do HIT ? I guess not right ? 8 hours without eating and going for HIT is probably not a good idea ....

2 ) The whole point in doing cardio on empty stomach is that we haven't eat any carbs and the fat will be used as energy MUCH FASTER . But I am also concerned about muscle catabolism . Is it possible to take 25 g whey protein + L-glutamine + BCAA + 1 g vit C , before the cardio session or does it interfere with that whole idea ?

3 ) Should I limit to 30 minutes to prevent muscle catabolism or can I go for 50 minutes ?


Victor

 

[Powerbuilder333]

I'd go with 30 minutes on a empty stomach imediately followed by 25g whey protein.
I can't offer any scientific reason for my opinion.

 

[krishna]

Don't do HIIT. Do 40 minutes of low intensity cardio, then go home and have a low GI meal so that your body will have to keep using fat for energy. Eat some eggs and steel cut oats or something.

 

[mauit44]

I'd go with 30 minutes on a empty stomach imediately followed by 25g whey protein.
I can't offer any scientific reason for my opinion.

How is 30 minutes of moderate cardio enough? How many times a week are we talking about?

 

[Ulter]

It depends on how far you have to go. That little fucker's still licking. Sorry got distracted. If you're only looking to lose 10-15 then 40 min is fine. Do empty stomach and then use the Anafit Diet. Which is eat no carbs until lunch and no carbs after dinner. You can have eggs, cheese, turkey/meat, but no carbs until lunch. That'll do it.

 

[bbkingpin]

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[VictorBR]

ok I will go with low moderate 45 minutes . Sounds good .

But my main question is : Can I take 25 g whey + supps before the cardio session to prevent catabolism .

I want to lose another 10-15 pounds of fat , I am gonna use the beggining of my cycle to do that , my cycle will be 14 weeks , I will use weeks 1-4 for cutting , then increase calories and stop cardio from weeks 4-14 so I can BULK . I was gonna start the cycle this monday but my car broke so I will only be able to start it march 19 . Oh well it is close enough

Ulter where can I read more about the anafit diet ?


Victor

 

[yonkers weights]

30 min low intense and then 10 min high intense in the am on empty stomach, watch your heart rate. Follow it with 20-30g of protein shake with 1 cup of oatmeal and some fruit.

 

[ben dovergurl]

It depends on how far you have to go. That little fucker's still licking. Sorry got distracted. If you're only looking to lose 10-15 then 40 min is fine. Do empty stomach and then use the Anafit Diet. Which is eat no carbs until lunch and no carbs after dinner. You can have eggs, cheese, turkey/meat, but no carbs until lunch. That'll do it.

ulter, on this plan, what about before and after workouts in the evening. (7:00 pm)

 

[bonscott]

good luck bro... i've been ask'n that same question (27gms of sugar-free whey before a.m. cardio) for some time... no ones given me a clear logical answer yet... it seems reasonable that the protein would help spare the muscle to some degree... i don't know if the few gms of carbs listed (splenda, stevia,3gms. sugars etc.) would be significant enough to change your blood levels (insulin etc.) and have an impact on your cardio fuel source... i've tried it both ways now & don't see a difference in fat loss - however.... remember that every body will respond differently to diet, juice, etc... you almost gotta go trial & error with some things...
the absolute biggest thing for me is NEVER diet unless you're on something... you WILL lose more muscle dieting when your OFF a cycle...low test levels coupled with high estrogen = bad... the natural body wants to save fat & burn muscle... (clen helps save muscle & burn fat too)

 

[Ulter]

ok I will go with low moderate 45 minutes . Sounds good .

But my main question is : Can I take 25 g whey + supps before the cardio session to prevent catabolism .

I want to lose another 10-15 pounds of fat , I am gonna use the beggining of my cycle to do that , my cycle will be 14 weeks , I will use weeks 1-4 for cutting , then increase calories and stop cardio from weeks 4-14 so I can BULK . I was gonna start the cycle this monday but my car broke so I will only be able to start it march 19 . Oh well it is close enough

Ulter where can I read more about the anafit diet ?


Victor

It's part of the Anafit E-Zine newsletter you'll get next week. We have been using it for customers for about a year but we don't post or print it because obviously it will be immitated.

 

[Ulter]

ulter, on this plan, what about before and after workouts in the evening. (7:00 pm)

Training days carbs are necessary and they'll clear very quickly anyway so it doesn't seem to make an impact. I highly recommend using Glucorell R though with the PWO carbs just to be sure you clear them before you go to bed.

 

[looking to lean]

here is whats working for me incredibly well.

first thing in the morning (630am'ish):
Apple (+1 Glucorell R and some PureCEE)
1 scoop all natural protein powder
8oz skim milk.

then head to the gym for a 1 hour work out.

as soon as I get home, I jump on my eliptical (or just do it at the gym if you must) for 30 mins of moderate cardio. keeping my heart at about 120bpm.

2scoops protein and some carbs. sometimes I eat bran flakes, sometimes I have some OJ. I keep my body guessing.

then I go about my daily eating routine.

Good luck

 

[bbkingpin]

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[OMEGA]

Cardio in the AM for 30 minutes on empty is all you will ever need.

watch the glycogen replishment though, you need some but not too much.

I like to have a bit of simple sugar in order to balance blood glucose levels again but again not too much ( one small glass of oj helps and is perfect for me.)

 

[maccer]

whey before will spike insulin - there is the new leaf system in the US that test your metabolism so you judge where you burn fat best - its not 65% MHR for all - indeed not for many

 

[VictorBR]

damn !

25 g whey protein before AM cardio will SPIKE INSULIN !!???!!?

are you sure ?

how is that possible ? I am not saying you are wrong , but I would like to know the reason


Victor

 

[JetCityDude]

I work out in the morning with a Lipo-6, some amino acid powder and that is it. I read the book "Nutrition Timing" and it talked a lot about their recommendations for putting on muscle and cardio on an empty stomach. The book recomends a 6% sugar drink, like a gatorade (powered) + some Leucine, + 4 grams protein. After working out, pump to 40-50grams sugar and about 15 grams protein + glutamine, then two hours after, mostly protein (20 grams). Their rationale for the sugar is that it will help keep the cortisol at bay while working out and in the short term after, and after working out will provide an insulin spike to help take in the protein. Anyway, this is controversial and to each his own. I am not taking all of the sugar they recommend, but I am not afraid of taking some either. (I am not trying to get to 3% BF). I have lost 4 inches off my waist and BF has dropped from 21 to 16%.

I do high-intenstity cardio, my way. I walk on the treadmill for 5 min, run for 5 min @ 6.7mph then intervals at 10.5 mph for 60 sec , then 6.7 for 60-120 sec, depending on how i feel, etc. My heart rate goes to 92%. Total time is about 35-40 min including that walking. I am not saying this is right at all, but I have a hard-on for running, not lifting. After the running, maybe some rowing or a bike, but then I am having my drink.

Another book, "Grow Young with HGH" talks about taking large doses of arginine on an empty stomach to assist in supressing somatostatin and therefore allowing more HGH to be released.

Here is an example of what NOT TO DO:
So, like an ass, on Wednesday I took,
6 grams arginine power (the second foulest stuff I have every consumed) (added new)
1 gram glycine (the foulest stuff) (added new)
12 NOW Tri-Amino Acid caps (about 3 grams arginine, ornathine, lysiine each)
1 500 mg Tyrosine (added new)
1 Lipo-6
Some gluatamine too

When I arrived at the rec center and I thought I was going to die - seriously. My breath became shortened and quick, my neck swelled up and I was having a hard time breathing and my face was numb. I felt like I do 1 hour after novicaine at the dentist, but with a blood pressure of 170/150 (guessing).

I did not work out and drove to work which is close to a hospital and after a few hours at work I felt OK, but not good. I had diarrhea all day and was out of it for two days. I did lose 3 lbs though.

 

[maccer]

damn !

25 g whey protein before AM cardio will SPIKE INSULIN !!???!!?

are you sure ?

how is that possible ? I am not saying you are wrong , but I would like to know the reason


Victor

Victor

A guy I know has testd it!! He has all the apparatus he used to advise Whey before AM cardio - Not anymore - low intensity empty stomach is what he recommends now.

 

[Mr.Nobody]

I used the cardio on empty stomach gig back when I got ready for my contest, worked great.
Back then we used the ole ECA stack. Now with my prostate about to fall out of my a#$, I am scared of any stimulants?
Is the Anafit Diet product compatible with the ole ECA?
Thanks