Bulking On A CKD

[Legion Kreinak2]

I've seen this becoming more popular lately, and noticed that bulking with tons of carbs as I've been, has given me a bit of a gut already. Definitely not something I like.

I have always hated being chunky in any way, and if I can bulk whilst having little or no fat gain, that would be ideal.

Therefore, I figured stumbling upon a CKD bulking diet was the best thing that happened to me. So, can someone tell me what exactly I would need to do in order to bulk on a CKD?

Edit:
Was just going through Mr. X's CKD article, and stumbled upon this...

"Well, once your muscle glycogen is depleted, your workouts become a pain in the ass, you are sluggish and muscle loss can occur. (due to the fact that no insulin is present in the system, there will be NO muscle gain while in Ketosis"

This comes right from him, stating you will not gain muscle while in ketosis. Though, our friend BodyByFinaplix seems to bulk just fine while on a CKD. How do this work? Hmm...

 

[overhead]

You can check out the site metabolicdiet.com . Guy wrote a couple of books on the subject. I have "Anabolic Solution for powerlifters" and it lays out the science and exactly how you are suppose to eat. Basically, you eat between 20-25 cals per pound. You have to mess with cals until you are gaining a pound or two a week. Carb ups can be either one or two days a week depending on how your body handles the low carb diet. The food is exactly the same as CKD. Carb totals for none carb up days should be somewhere between 20-50, higher if you do not tolerate the low carb diet well. The idea is to not go above 15% body fat while bulking.

 

[Legion Kreinak2]

Yeah, hell I don't wanna go above 13% bodyfat. Less, if possible.

When on this diet, do you find you gain alot of bodyfat if any?

 

[overhead]

I am currently cutting becuase I am close to 20% body fat. Others who have used a low carb diet to bulk find they put on much less fat than a *normal* bulking diet. In your other thread you said you were around 17% body fat. If I were you I would focus on maintaining muscle mass while losing fat until I reached somewhere around 10%, than worry about bulking. I did not post in your other thread, but 1300 cals is not near enough for someone that weights 168.

 

[overhead]

Here is a link to a discussion we had about bulking on a low carb diet http://boards.elitefitness.com/foru...threadid=251283

 

[Legion Kreinak2]

Yes, I've seen that thread before, very interesting reads there.

However, you say 1300 isn't nearly enough for someone my size. I know this to be true, but at the same time, I will still lose weight, right? Fat, rather. As long as I lose fat, I'm okay with it.

 

[overhead]

This is just my opinion because I am not an expert on diet, but at 1300 cals you will end up losing more lean mass than fat. Also, you metabolism will end up slowing way down.

 

[Legion Kreinak2]

Yeah, I just don't want to eat too much or whatever. I figured that would be the case though. I can't have too much lean mass though, so I don't know.

How much should I go about eating, and what should it consist of? Would it be okay if all the calories came from tuna and such? Like protein sources, with low/no carbs? Like I said, I can't get a hold of any healthy fats really right now. Olive Oil is all I could get and right now I don't have the money.

I heard I can get a big thing of it for $5 but I don't know how long that "big thing" will last.

 

[overhead]

What you eat will depend on what kind of diet you think will work best for you. I use a low carb diet because of a bad diet when I was younger that included too many sugars, so I believe I am overly sensitive to carbs. I also prefer a low carb diet because I believe that it spares more lean muscle during lower cal periods than a standard diet. Low carbing is not for everyone, some can get by on a diet high in protein, good carbs and some fat. Basically with any diet the idea is the same, keep calories low enough to lose fat, but not so low that your body goes into starvation mode and tries to save the body fat you have.

 

[Legion Kreinak2]

At what point does the body go into "starvation mode"?