Bulking On A CKD

[overhead]

I am not sure about that. I have read that in as little as 6-12 hours of little or no food your body can begin to attempt to retain fat. Also, a long term diet that does not include enough cals can have the same effect. But I do not know for sure.

 

[Legion Kreinak2]

BodyByFinaplix, could you possibly give some feedback on this? I sent you a PM to which you never responded.

 

[AgainstAllOdds]

Legion, I'm interested in the same thing -- as I'm sure many people are.

I've been reading about the Natural Hormonal Enhancement diet and The Anabolic Solution for Bodybuilders.

I don't know much about either but here is what I do know.

Natural Hormonal Enhancement:

• High protein, moderate fat, low carb
• Carb up every 3rd day and 4th day (Wednesday and Sunday)
• Carb up should be the last two meals for each day -- you eat as many carbs as you can down which means very little protein fat just so you can eat more carbs
• Protein + Fat Preworkout and postworkout
• Carb up must be at least 70% starchy carbs
• Veggies are considered free for the low carb days unless eaten excessively -- so you aren't nutrient deprived
• Eat until full; don't limit yourself to a certain number of calories (Don't know if I agree with this)
• Can't have over 50g protein in one meal
• Eat at least every 4-5 hours; every 2 hours is optimal, but do not eat more than every 2 hours or there will be a bigger hormonal response that you do not want

Anabolic Solution for Bodybuilders:

• Mid-week carb up
• 100g carbs around workouts
• 100-200g daily

I don't really know much about the Anabolic Solution at all. I think the NHE actually burns fat for fuel, so the carbs you have during your carb up aren't used for daily activities -- they're only used to refill glycogen levels and fuel workouts.

I forgot to mention -- to my knowledge, both diets require a metabolic shift which is extremely low carb for the first week or so.

Hopefully someone else will have more info on the Anabolic Solution for Bodybuilders diet. Both sound like great diets, I'm still deciding which one I'm going to use.

 

[AgainstAllOdds]

Another thing important to NHE is: it's suggested you only workout 2-3 weekly. It's also recommended that workouts are under one hour -- which is pretty common nowdays.

 

[Legion Kreinak2]

After reading more on the CKD diet, I can safely say I'm sold. I don't see any problem with it, besides maybe being groggy and sluggish for the first two weeks until you adjust. That, and the bad breath issue I read about (breathing ketones is supposed to be "ech" - heh) which is my biggest worry because I don't want my girl to be displeased.

Anyways, for cutting a CKD is heavenly. It's cheap too. I'm thinking of basing my daily meals around olive oil and tuna. Protein, fats, no carbs. Sounds good to me. I'll try and eat some healthy solid fats though. And vegetables. If I do all that, I should be okay.

As for bulking, I'm still trying to find out what to do. Can I use that CKD Spreadsheet Mr. X made and just input the weight I want to reach, and follow those macronutrient ratios? Or do I have to do something else?

 

[Legion Kreinak2]

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[overhead]

I am not sure if Mr.X included any bulking numbers in his spreadsheet. The anabolic diet, which as you know is similar, recommends starting at 20 times body weight in cals a day to bulk. Then you adjust that number 500 calories up or down until you find the cal level that you gain about 2 pounds a week. Carb up day should include a bunch of cals, atleast 3x body weight in carb grams.

 

[overhead]

And, by the way those numbers come from the "Anabolic Solution for Powerlifters", not the one for bodybuilders. I have not read that book.

 

[AgainstAllOdds]

Are you going to do a CKD bulk or are you interested in NHE or The Anabolic Solution for Bodybuilders too?

If you're interested in the latter, I can post here when I find more information about it if you like.

 

[Legion Kreinak2]

Well I want to do a CKD bulk for now as I've heard alot about it, but post up the other information if you like.