BodyByFinaplix

[~ThaGame~]

He uses illegal anabolic steroids to achieve his physique, hence my previous post.

haha no shit bro, does he even post on this board?

 

[javaguru]

haha no shit bro, does he even post on this board?

He was on this board last week bashing most supplements and the OTC steroids in particular. His subject line was "This board sucks", which indicates the general level of discussion on the thread.

 

[ZKaudio]

Don't bash him for using roids. He's doing no more harm than u guys on PH's are. I have to say, if you're 170 at 5'10 and you've been lifting for 5 years. You should check out your diet, instead of looking to supplements as miracle workers, straighten out your diet and make sure you're getting your macro's dialed in. This will work better than any combination of supps.

 

[LifterCA]

lol people don't read or I'm not explaining very well. I'll take it that I'm not explaining it very well. I have been off 1-AD for a month now. 2 weeks after I stopped I began to take in 5000 cals a day, healthy. I also began to take v-12. I have been taking muscle milk for the protien source for quite some time now. My diet is fine. I was just asking about zinc, fish oil, and anything else that might help in muscle growth. I'm doing it for research not to take.

Also, I never intended for a supp to be a miracle worker. I know that for a fact. But, it is a "boost" in training, and helps get those heavier weights up. Plus, I just started bodybuilding 7 months ago. Went from 140-170 lbs, 135-270 on bench, 135-280 squat. I know lifting is not a one day thing, but a long drawn out process that I bust my ass at.

 

[ZKaudio]

I was wondering if it really is important to take zinc and add fish oil.

Your only question.

Yes, zinc is so cheap that there is no excuse for getting at least 50mg/ day. As for fish oil. What are u going to substitute it for. Try to consume the 2:1 ratio we have spoken about so many times before. Keep the intake of fish/flax/(all vegggy) oils up and the saturated fats DOWN.

 

[d3track]

if you put on 30lb in 7 months WITHOUT getting fat, then stick to what you are doing, add in the supps (multi-vit/flax/fish/zinc/creatine)
stick with it for 1-2 years then start to think about hormone manipulation

my only real suggestion is to do a bf check throught
same person using same method to make sure you aren't adding too much fat

 

[javaguru]

Don't bash him for using roids. He's doing no more harm than u guys on PH's are. I have to say, if you're 170 at 5'10 and you've been lifting for 5 years. You should check out your diet, instead of looking to supplements as miracle workers, straighten out your diet and make sure you're getting your macro's dialed in. This will work better than any combination of supps.

I wasn't bashing him for steroid use but for trolling.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

I only drop by here on occasion. Yes, for alot of guys getting 5000 cals a day is very difficult. SInce you are 170, try to be selective in where you get those calories in order to minimuze body fat gains. In all honesty, while Muslce Milk can be a bit pricey, if you just can't seem to get in enough calories in the form of real food, it isn't that bad of a substitute. At least they add in some EFA's without fructose and a ton of synthetic sugars. My advice is to take at least 6 grams of fish oil a day. If you are on a tight budget, this is really a must have dietary suppliment if you are not eating some form of salt water fish several times a week.

Ensure Plus, athough not the most cost effective way to do it, should cover most of your vitamin and mineral needs that aren't being fulfilled by your high caloric intake. Give me a quick breakdown of your diet, if you don't mind, and I'll see what recomendations I can make. If you appear to be leaning out, but are gaining weight and people are telling you that you look bigger, you are heading in the right direction, even if you don't see it inthe mirror. Sometimes we are our own worst critics.

For those who don't understand where I'm coming from, I do ALOT of research on nutrition, as well as supplimentation, because I'm working on my BA in nutritional science. I plan on being a dietician after finishing college. I believe that the greater majority of suppliments are worthless, and many of the ones that are beneficial are way overpriced for what they contain. This isn't to say that people shouldn't make efforts to get certain fatty acids, vitamins, minerals etc, in the form of supplimentation if there is a benefit to doing so, but people should take the time to research, or at least get expert opinions outside of those who make their living selling these products. Flex magazine and the salesman at GNC are hardly good sourced of unbiased information.

ZK, you know my stance on saturated fat of course. I stand with the offical National Dietectics Association on this one. Its risks are over-rated, and it should be included and reasonable amounts in any heathy diet. The saturated fat needs of atheletes who desire to gain lbm are much higher than the average individual, since it has a huge impact on testosterone production in non-steroid using individuals.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Lifter CA, I'll usually see your posts on the diet forum if you need to reach me. I get 3 or 4 diet questions in PM's a day, so that is a good way to reach me if you have specific questions or have a thread you want me to take a look at. SOmetimes I have time to type long replies (2+ pages), but often times not. I usually check my PM's between classes.

 

[ZKaudio]

I have same views on Saturated fats as you in that case... but I don' t think people need to supplement their fat intakes w/ any sat fat. It's ever present in good tasting foods, I like promoting low fat diets with EXCESS fish/flax oil supplementation.