Blood work is back - Now what?

[njmuscleguy]

i believe you ran PCT too soon. a TE dosage of 750mg/wk will take up to two months or longer to clear. there is a "roid calculator" somewhere on the net that graphs the blood levels over time based on the half-life of the esters. you should take a look at this, its an eye-opener.

the other issue i have with your cycle, given your history, is that you are using progestins. any kind of nandrolone, and i do not care if it is a long ester or not, is a more suppressive compound. it may relate to prolactin levels or it may not. whatever the reason those are the facts. so that is another potential factor that may contribute to your level of suppression.

i believe another PCT is in order and you should not include progestins in future cycles if you want to be able to take breaks and restore HPTA function more esasily. however I hear you regarding naturally low T. its hard to say what is causing that issue and harder to say exactly what you should do about it. it something to discuss with the endo. but be aware that you likely are still recovering from your last cycle and so that is the real reason your current levels are as low as they are.

I started 2 weeks after my last test shot... thought that was enough time to wait? You're right about the progestin. I'm never running deca/NPP again, it wrecks me.

I'll give it some more time (1 month), get bloodwork again, then see the endo and hear what he thinks. Thanks!

 

[needtogetaas]

all theses people saying ya derma did not work it dont work do another pct...



"the guy has don 3-4 pct's in a raw before with hcg clomid nolva you name it and nothing has even got his levels as close to were DERMACRIN has got his levels to"


so stop right there with the do another pct its just dumb to say that if you have read the hole thread.derma worked better for him then any thing he has ever tried
so I think its safe to say if "dermacrin" could not help him nothing will and he needs hrt.

THANK YOU

 

[njmuscleguy]

all theses people saying ya derma did not work it dont work do another pct...

"the guy has don 3-4 pct's in a raw before with hcg clomid nolva you name it and nothing has even got his levels as close to were DERMACRIN has got his levels to"

so stop right there with the do another pct its just dumb to say that if you have read the hole thread.derma worked better for him then any thing he has ever tried
so I think its safe to say if "dermacrin" could not help him nothing will and he needs hrt.

THANK YOU

You've got that mostly right... yes, I have done back to back PCT's with clomid & HCG in the past... that didn't seem to be a solution... after even 4-5 months, I wasn't fully recovered. And with other PCT's, I've had test as low as 125...plus both LH and FSH were in the toilet while E2 was very high. This time, LH was low, FSH was normal and E2 was only slightly high. The moral of my story as far as using Sustain / Derma... I didn't FEEL like I crashed at any point...and it seemed it helped recovery somewhat. I still think Sustain is a good alternative for those wanting to avoid Clomid & Nolva. Time will tell.

 

[xrsist]

needto/pp, would njmuscleguy getting back on derma sustain for say another 4 weeks be of any benifit or not?

 

[Primordial Performance]

Nj,

You say your gettin blood tests again in 4 weeks?

Can I ship you a product to try for the next 4 weeks?

-Pp

 

[Nelson Montana]

If you're a non responder to Clomid IT REALLY SUCKS ASS.

Clomid set my PCT back several weeks. I needed to recover from the Clomid! Everytime. Even tried it when not recovering -- just as a T booster in between cycles. All it did was make me want to watch soap operas and play with Barbie dolls. (The toy dolls -- not the girls).

Horrible, horrible stuff.

But it seems to work for some people. It's a 50/50 crapshoot.

 

[needtogetaas]

needto/pp, would njmuscleguy getting back on derma sustain for say another 4 weeks be of any benifit or not?

you know if he used it for 4 weeks and it came close to getting him back to were he should be I dont think taking derma sustain for a longer time would be a bad idea..."deff better then telling him to use clomid again" witch did nothing but make him feel like shit with less recovery.

 

[boston789]

Use some fish oil to lower HDL and if you remember my thread from a few weeks ago this has really helped me recover and its all I've been using now. My balls are as big as they were when I was on HCG. Sex drive is great. Test levels are good. Its all I am on now:

The following are natural approaches that rebalance testosterone is men:

Chrysin: is a bioflavonoid that is extracted from various plants. The suggested daily dose is 1000mg. Originally used by bodybuilders, chrysin is a natural aromatase-inhibitor that increases free testosterone, thereby decreases excess estrogen. It has a terrific libido-enhancing effect and has antianxiety properties as well.

Nettle: (constitutes of highly concentrated extracts from nettle root) binds to SHBG in place of testosterone. It thereby decreases the chances producing bound testosterone.

Muira puama: is an herbal extract that increases free testosterone and suppresses excess estrogen. It enahces the libido and boosts energy.
Losing weight is highly recommended.

 

[needtogetaas]

Use some fish oil to lower HDL and if you remember my thread from a few weeks ago this has really helped me recover and its all I've been using now. My balls are as big as they were when I was on HCG. Sex drive is great. Test levels are good. Its all I am on now:

The following are natural approaches that rebalance testosterone is men:

Chrysin: is a bioflavonoid that is extracted from various plants. The suggested daily dose is 1000mg. Originally used by bodybuilders, chrysin is a natural aromatase-inhibitor that increases free testosterone, thereby decreases excess estrogen. It has a terrific libido-enhancing effect and has antianxiety properties as well.

Nettle: (constitutes of highly concentrated extracts from nettle root) binds to SHBG in place of testosterone. It thereby decreases the chances producing bound testosterone.

Muira puama: is an herbal extract that increases free testosterone and suppresses excess estrogen. It enahces the libido and boosts energy.
Losing weight is highly recommended.

I thought you got some dermacrin a wile back bro.

 

[lartinos]

Nandralone strikes again............ Just takes time to feel right for many people aftering taking it.