Blood work is back - Now what?

[Nelson Montana]

My roommate just got a new bottle of Sustain, I'll start using it and just replace his. MyogenX is on the way too. I'm still a little concerned about being on these two products up until I get tested again. Not that I'm jonesing to get onto HRT, but if I do legitimately need it, and these supplements raise my LH & test only temporarily, then the bloodwork won't be accurate? I will just have roller-coasted up and down... it's the "down" part I want to avoid. It's not a happy place! Of course, I'm also considering future cycles and how they will fit into the scheme of what's going on.

Well, we'll see what happens in a month. As always, thanks for the help!

You're worry about a "false" reading is unfounded. That's like saying you wouldn't want to take vitamin C because you want to make sure you have scurvy. These are natural remedies. They work WITH the body. That's what makes them the perfect compliment to enhanced performance whereas bullshit prohormones were trying to be a lame substitute for gear.

You really should considere including UNLEASHED to the Derma/MyogenX. The Derma will lower e, the Myo will increase LH and the UNLEASHED will increase free T. It will only help "bridge" until you get up and going on your own. NONE of the aformentioned supps will cause suppression.

 

[Triple J]

keep in mind the best way to increase free T is to lower E, so in that respect I think the SUSTAIN should be all you need. besides suppressing HPTA function and LH output, E will drive SHBG levels up significantly. so if you keep E low, your total T and free T will be higher. adding a product like UNLEASHED probably would not hurt but most likely would be unnecessary IMHO.

absolutely AGREED you should not worry about stimulating your system with these products. its just like any PCT situation. ultimately the endo will need to figure out if your issue at this time is primary or secondary hypogonadism. it appears to be secondary based on your initial blood work and the low LH values. so right now you want to stimulate LH and see how your balls respond. now if your LH levels jump and go high normal, and your balls do not respond with higher T production, then that is primary hypogonadism. the doctor may pursue other ways of determining this (using things like hCG or clomid) but for now I would go ahead with another PCT using the natural products. also be sure to include some zinc in your regimen.

 

[Nelson Montana]

keep in mind the best way to increase free T is to lower E, so in that respect I think the sustain should be all you need. besides suppressing HPTA function and LH output, E will drive SHBG levels up significantly. so if you keep E low, your total T and free T will be higher. adding a product like UNLEASED probably would not hurt but most likely would be unnecessary IMHO.

absolutely AGREED you should not worry about stimulating your system with these products. its just like any PCT situation. ultimattely the endo will need to figure out if your issue at this time is primary or secondary hypogonadism. it appears to be secondary based on your initial blood work and the low LH values. so right now you want to stimulate LH and see how your balls respond. now if your LH levels jump and go high normal, and your balls do not respond with higher T production, then that is primary hypogonadism. the doctor may pursue other ways of determining this (using things like hCG or clomid) but for now I would go ahead with another PCT using the natural products. also be sure to include some zinc in your regimen.

Good advice. Though MyogenX and POST CYCLE both contain a considerable amount of zinc.

 

[njmuscleguy]

TripleJ, Nelson.... agreed, good advice. I'll give it a shot!

 

[njmuscleguy]

Well everyone.... the bloodwork that my new endo ordered up is back... the doctor called me up today and said my test levels came back "normal", at 397. He said everything else was normal as well except for the FSH, which was slightly elevated but nothing to be concerned about. He feels that HRT isn't warranted - at the same time, he has no idea as to why I'm having the symptoms of low test (and for 10 years now). I'm healthy otherwise. He basically had no recommendations other than to get retested several times and see if there was some sort of consistency - if my test levels come out much lower than 397 several times, he will consider HRT - he said anything lower than 100 in his book is considered "low" - IS HE KIDDING ME??

At this point, I'm not sure what I want to do - my bloodwork has fluctuated between 175 and 400 in the past 5 years or so (even before starting A A S) - it's not gonna get any better than this, and I don't want to continue feeling run down all the time, and having my workouts suffer. I think I'll get tested one more time in the next week or so. After that, I will either get a second opinion, start another cycle, or consider self-imposed H R T (which I would prefer not to).

If anyone has any thoughts or feedback, I'm all ears/eyes!

thanks everyone!

 

[Nelson Montana]

Well everyone.... the bloodwork that my new endo ordered up is back... the doctor called me up today and said my test levels came back "normal", at 397. He said everything else was normal as well except for the FSH - follicle stimulating hormone - , which was slightly elevated but nothing to be concerned about. He feels that HRT isn't warranted - at the same time, he has no idea as to why I'm having the symptoms of low test (and for 10 years now). I'm healthy otherwise. He basically had no recommendations other than to get retested several times and see if there was some sort of consistency - if my test levels come out much lower than 397 several times, he will consider HRT - he said anything lower than 100 in his book is considered "low" - IS HE KIDDING ME??

At this point, I'm not sure what I want to do - my bloodwork has fluctuated between 175 and 400 in the past 5 years or so (even before starting A A S) - it's not gonna get any better than this, and I don't want to continue feeling run down all the time, and having my workouts suffer. I think I'll get tested one more time in the next week or so. After that, I will either get a second opinion, start another cycle, or consider self-imposed H R T (which I would prefer not to).

If anyone has any thoughts or feedback, I'm all ears/eyes!

thanks everyone!

Remind me...how low was your T before and what did you use for PC T?

 

[r1]

nj: The problem with the standard "range" is that it is not normalized to factor in age.

Check out this post:
http://forum.mesomorphosis.com/mens-health-forum/table-t-levels-10-a-134235724.html

My doc wants me above 650 ng/dL at all times, but more important is the lack of hypogonadal (low T) symptoms.

PM me, bro. I have some links that will probably help you out.

R1

 

[njmuscleguy]

Remind me...how low was your T before and what did you use for PC T?

My bloodwork prior to this last one was 8 weeks after my cycle ended, with P C T consisting of H C G, and I G F, original Derma for 2 weeks and Sustain for 4 weeks... test came back at 178....F S H was normal, L H and Free Test were low.

My last bloodwork was one month later... during that time, I contined with Sustain and added MyogenX. So there was improvement, but I think this is the highest I'm gonna get.... this is close to the highest I've ever been in fact.

 

[Triple J]

what was your estrogen? as per my other post if your free T was low, E could be the culprit. if you reduce E, your total AND free T will go up.

i hate these incomplete bloodwork results you need a complete picture: total T, free T, estrogen, FSH, LH

 

[njmuscleguy]

what was your estrogen? as per my other post if your free T was low, E could be the culprit. if you reduce E, your total AND free T will go up.

i hate these incomplete bloodwork results you need a complete picture: total T, free T, estrogen, FSH - follicle stimulating hormone - , lh - leutenizing hormone -

Honestly, I don't know if he tested for E this time around, he did order up Free T, F S H (which he found a bit high), and L H ... he said everything else was normal...

My last bloodwork, E came back within range, but some had considered it slightly elevated.... T and Free T were low, F S H was normal and L H was low