Blood work is back - Now what?

[KD1]

Hope your stuff gets back to normal - I 2nd the idea of running another PCT. Something like HCG + AntiE + Clomid.

 

[Nelson Montana]

njmuscleguy: I'll answer your questions one by one.



Anything e level over 30 is considered "high" for men. Optimum for health and appearance is around 10.

Remember, a lot of these tests(like e and prolactin and prog) weren't meant to be taken by men so they don't register off the chart.

Flax oil is a little estrogenic. Still with olive oil and lots of fish.

TMG is Trymethyglycine. It can be found in most any health food store. It's also in high end multis such as DX7. Check your multi. If it's not there, get some. Also, Folic acid helps to lower Tris as well.

If your body isn't producing enough LH or T, doubling it with supps may not be enough. Still, I see it as a "better than nothing" scenario. And if you go on HRT it'll help to keep the natural levels a little more supportive. (The body doesn't shut down just because you're on HRT)>

If you're prepared to go on HRT, get the script! You're elligable.

D-bol will increase iron and red blood cells more than anything else. That's what creates that d-bol punp! (It was also the basis for my new supp VIGOR. More blood=fuller muscles and better pumps). But taking it for a long time can cause a build up of iron. Or, you may be getting a lot of iron from someplace you're unaware of. MuscleMilk has a lot of iron. breakfast cerial has a lot of iron. To offset it, take 400iu's of vitamin E twice a day. It lowers iron.

At 32 I think you still have a chance for raising your levels naturally but it'll take a lot of commitment -- staying off for maybe a year and sticking with the supps at a high dosage. It's up to you. I hate to see anyone depend on drug therepy for life, esepcially at such a young age, but there are worse things. At least you'll know you'll always have some tasty pharm grade test in the cabinet!


Good luck bro.

 

[njmuscleguy]

Hope your stuff gets back to normal - I 2nd the idea of running another PCT. Something like HCG + AntiE + Clomid.

If I hadn't tried this in the past, I'd do it... but as I said, I've done the 2nd and 3rd PCT thing before... and I didn't recover any better.

Plus the thought of having to do clomid and HCG again

Thanks for your input though.

 

[njmuscleguy]

njmuscleguy: I'll answer your questions one by one.



Anything e level over 30 is considered "high" for men. Optimum for health and appearance is around 10.

I didn't realize that... I thought the Sustain would've taken care of E.

Remember, a lot of these tests(like e and prolactin and prog) weren't meant to be taken by men so they don't register off the chart.

Flax oil is a little estrogenic. Still with olive oil and lots of fish.

Ok, I'll switch to olive oil. I already eat tons of fish, both raw and cooked.

TMG is Trymethyglycine. It can be found in most any health food store. It's also in high end multis such as DX7. Check your multi. If it's not there, get some. Also, Folic acid helps to lower Tris as well.

If your body isn't producing enough LH or T, doubling it with supps may not be enough. Still, I see it as a "better than nothing" scenario. And if you go on HRT it'll help to keep the natural levels a little more supportive. (The body doesn't shut down just because you're on HRT)>

If you're prepared to go on HRT, get the script! You're elligable.

I've been prepping myself mentally for HRT for a while, just been holding out for the same reason everyone else says, my age. I just needed help analyzing the values other than test & free test, like FSH, LH, etc. to understand if there is something going on that I can "fix", thereby increasing test & free test.

But as you said, even if I can recover somewhat, is that enough to be "normal"... I'm thinking no, because my natural levels have always teetered near the "normal" test threshold. So why delay the inevitable?

D-bol will increase iron and red blood cells more than anything else. That's what creates that d-bol punp! (It was also the basis for my new supp VIGOR. More blood=fuller muscles and better pumps). But taking it for a long time can cause a build up of iron. Or, you may be getting a lot of iron from someplace you're unaware of. MuscleMilk has a lot of iron. breakfast cerial has a lot of iron. To offset it, take 400iu's of vitamin E twice a day. It lowers iron.

At 32 I think you still have a chance for raising your levels naturally but it'll take a lot of commitment -- staying off for maybe a year and sticking with the supps at a high dosage. It's up to you. I hate to see anyone depend on drug therepy for life, esepcially at such a young age, but there are worse things. At least you'll know you'll always have some tasty pharm grade test in the cabinet!

Yup, HRT at my age is kinda daunting, but so is the thought of struggling to feel good, struggling to get good workouts, struggling to maintain in good shape, even if for a year, to get my natty test levels up a bit.

Good luck bro.

Thanks for the suggestions... I have alot of thinking to do.

 

[njmuscleguy]

Ok, so I've gotten an appointment with the endo that my doctor referred me to. I asked my doctor his opinion about what I should disclose to the endo, since my doctor knows about my AAS use. He told me that he's already spoken to the endo and that he's cool with it, and I should be open and honest with him.

The appointment is a month from now. I'm wondering if I should get bloodwork done again in a month, just before the appointment, to see if anything's improved?

 

[D_Mac]

You know man if it was me I would stay on indeffinite PCT regimens rather than get on HRT. I would try hihg doses of Clomid to get the system goin, I would try anytihng to jump start the system, maybe even try 6 months or a year of taking nothing but good oils and cholesterols to give your body the building blocks of hormones.

The bottom line really comes down to how you feel. If you can still gain muscle and have sex then don't go on HRT. Your levels are low but if your body responds to them and you still feel like a man then just be natural for a while and see how you do on that. But thats just me, I don't ever want HRT unless I absolutely HAVE to go on it.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Ok, so I've gotten an appointment with the endo that my doctor referred me to. I asked my doctor his opinion about what I should disclose to the endo, since my doctor knows about my AAS use. He told me that he's already spoken to the endo and that he's cool with it, and I should be open and honest with him.

The appointment is a month from now. I'm wondering if I should get bloodwork done again in a month, just before the appointment, to see if anything's improved?

The Derma probably kept your e somewhat under control but it was too much than could be handled naturally. 30 isn't horrible, just not optimal. Stick with it. You may also want to try other natty anti-e's with different ingredients. (POST CYCLE, CytogenX). Taking anti- e drugs will further mess with your lipids and you can't afford to do that right now.

Definetely get another blood test. Lots of rest, lots of water. You may be surprised. If you're T stays under 300, then you've got a decision to make. Let us know.

 

[Triple J]

i believe you ran PCT too soon. a TE dosage of 750mg/wk will take up to two months or longer to clear. there is a "roid calculator" somewhere on the net that graphs the blood levels over time based on the half-life of the esters. you should take a look at this, its an eye-opener.

the other issue i have with your cycle, given your history, is that you are using progestins. any kind of nandrolone, and i do not care if it is a long ester or not, is a more suppressive compound. it may relate to prolactin levels or it may not. whatever the reason those are the facts. so that is another potential factor that may contribute to your level of suppression.

i believe another PCT is in order and you should not include progestins in future cycles if you want to be able to take breaks and restore HPTA function more esasily. however I hear you regarding naturally low T. its hard to say what is causing that issue and harder to say exactly what you should do about it. it something to discuss with the endo. but be aware that you likely are still recovering from your last cycle and so that is the real reason your current levels are as low as they are.

 

[njmuscleguy]

You know man if it was me I would stay on indeffinite PCT regimens rather than get on HRT. I would try hihg doses of Clomid to get the system goin, I would try anytihng to jump start the system, maybe even try 6 months or a year of taking nothing but good oils and cholesterols to give your body the building blocks of hormones.

The bottom line really comes down to how you feel. If you can still gain muscle and have sex then don't go on HRT. Your levels are low but if your body responds to them and you still feel like a man then just be natural for a while and see how you do on that. But thats just me, I don't ever want HRT unless I absolutely HAVE to go on it.

Well, that's just it... I feel like crap when I'm off, because my natural test levels are low. Total exhaustion. I can sleep for days sometimes. My workouts suffer in between cycles because my natural test levels aren't great. Libido is a big issue as well, and all the supplements in the world haven't been able to help. I'll give it some more time and see. Thanks bro!

 

[njmuscleguy]

The Derma probably kept your e somewhat under control but it was too much than could be handled naturally. 30 isn't horrible, just not optimal. Stick with it. You may also want to try other natty anti-e's with different ingredients. (POST CYCLE, CytogenX). Taking anti- e drugs will further mess with your lipids and you can't afford to do that right now.

Definetely get another blood test. Lots of rest, lots of water. You may be surprised. If you're T stays under 300, then you've got a decision to make. Let us know.

I'll do exactly that - thanks!