True that, and not looking for guidance or anyone in particular more or less just doing a role call for old timers. Believe it or not at one time this forum was at the top of all internet bodybuilding forums. Alot of vets with info that at the time wasn't really available except magazines and some of the other forums that were just then starting to blow up. It was more of an underground cult like group of dudes in the early 2ks when UGs choices were few and domestics were guarded instead of promoted. Also the attitudes between iron brothers was more respectful before the trolls and forums "gurus" became the norm. The info and conversations were raw and pertinent instead of skeptical and full of drama. Call me old, outdated or what you want but the truth has been watered down and mixed with alot of marketing since those days so forgive me for digging for folks whose opinions I actually value.You don't need any vets holding your hand if you wanna do a cycle.
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