Another DNP related death

[Bulldog_10]

I dont buy that for a second, the legality of items have nothing to do with education. They have been preaching alcohol and tabacco are bad for years upon years and it deters very few. You can lead a horse to water but cant make it drink, the people who want to know about AAS learn about AAS and those that dont simply get shoveled a load of overexagerated bullshit and they buy into it because they could care less about.

The legality of things is more because our government needs to justify its existance and they do so by going after things that offer little or no opposition coupled with the fact it means no money in their pockets. Alcohol/tabacco puts far too many $$$$ in uncle sams pocket and would simply have too much opposition for it to be further regulated. AAS use on the other hand is easu to pick on because sports bodies want it controlled and the average citizen could care less about it so that just leaves the small percentage of the population to speak out against it and in a government so mired down in beaurocratic bullshit, even if the 1,000,000 estimated AAS users gathered and marched on the capital we would be laughed at, ridiculed and blown off.

You make good points, and I don't know why they are truly illegal, while other things remain legal...I'm just theorizing here...I don't have an inside source or anything.

But one thing that is different between AAS and alcohol and tobacco is that we know all the risks of tobacco and alcohol use, I sitll believe that we don't know all the possible risks of AAS, and DNP comes into play here as well.

When someone drinks and drives, they can say "I told you so," and they can do the same when someone gets cancer after years of smoking...but what happens when someone uses DNP responsibly and gets fucked? That's when people make a beef about it, and it is made illegal. That's probably what happened when it was first made illegal...and there was never much of a push to make it legal again...

And since no one thinks they can do anything about it anyway, no one is ever going to make the push for it to be legalized. If you believe we know all the risks, and it can be used safely...talk to people, you CAN get things done...If you have a group of doctors willing to back you up and say "it can be used safely, and here's how," people will get behind you. And you don't need alot of people, just the right people. If you can pursuade a well known legislator that there is a reason why change should be made, things can happen. You can't just think you're outnumbered and you can't do anything about it.

 

[halfaclue]

Whenever people say something is bad, people just pick other things and say they're worse. People say steroids are bad, other people say tobacco is worse...people say DNP is bad, other people say tylenol is worse...

Let's be real here for a second...DNP is worse than any of them...it's just that fewer people use it. Yes, tylenol kills people sometimes, but there are billions of people using it. Smoking kills people, but after decades and decades of use...it doesn't have the potential to kill someone within a day like DNP does. Alcohol can kill you in a second, but it's easy to educate people on responsible use.

My theory on why some things are legal, and some are illegal all comes down to education. It's easy to tell people, don't drink and drive or you could die...don't smoke or you cold die earlier.

It's alot harder to educate people about responsible use of something like DNP and AAS. It takes a long time to figure out how to use that stuff safely, and alot of people would probably still fuck it up.

Bulldog..there are very few times I agree with you but this is one of them Bro. My point wasn't that there are a ton of things worse then DNP, even though there are, but that people are not educated on the topic and spout of like a pms-ing little girl. You said alcohol can kill you in day and so Can DNP...how do you think people realized binge drinking was bad??? It wasn't from an opinion poll...people died. DNP is the same way, the government could get some pharmaceutical company to procduce 50mg pills and recommend the dosage does not exceed 6 pills but does that mean people will use it responsibly? ECA is legal...almost every bottle says not to exceed 65-75mgs of ephadrine for a day(depending on the amount that is in each pill). people post on this board they take that much at one sitting. If people think thermorexin is working awesome and decide to take 15 pills a day then thermo rexin is extremely dangerous...Ulter and Mac do great jobs with the warning but they haven't mentioned what taking 15 pills would do so i guess if I really want to lose weight faster I can take 15 pills without a problem? That is a legal product here in the US that people using it (like myself) have a very very limited education on. We assume because it is legal then it must be safer then DNP (yes I know it is) but the point being is other then someone who works with or for AF, no one really knows or is that educated as to what can happen to you from thermorexin. There is a risk involved that maybe your first dose will cause an alregic reaction and people say that the risk is worth it because they want to burn fat....are all those people stupid for risking their lives with a product they know so little about? I don't think so. NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU WARN PEOPLE...someone somewhere will fuck it up and die from it and ruin it for everyone else. Like that jackass major league baseball player who had 300mgs of ephadrine in his system at one time...that is not counting what was digested. That shit gets stuffed banned. How many peopl know that taking 300mg of ephadrine could kill you???

 

[Bulldog_10]

Bulldog..there are very few times I agree with you but this is one of them Bro. My point wasn't that there are a ton of things worse then DNP, even though there are, but that people are not educated on the topic and spout of like a pms-ing little girl. You said alcohol can kill you in day and so Can DNP...how do you think people realized binge drinking was bad??? It wasn't from an opinion poll...people died. DNP is the same way, the government could get some pharmaceutical company to procduce 50mg pills and recommend the dosage does not exceed 6 pills but does that mean people will use it responsibly? ECA is legal...almost every bottle says not to exceed 65-75mgs of ephadrine for a day(depending on the amount that is in each pill). people post on this board they take that much at one sitting. If people think thermorexin is working awesome and decide to take 15 pills a day then thermo rexin is extremely dangerous...Ulter and Mac do great jobs with the warning but they haven't mentioned what taking 15 pills would do so i guess if I really want to lose weight faster I can take 15 pills without a problem? That is a legal product here in the US that people using it (like myself) have a very very limited education on. We assume because it is legal then it must be safer then DNP (yes I know it is) but the point being is other then someone who works with or for AF, no one really knows or is that educated as to what can happen to you from thermorexin. There is a risk involved that maybe your first dose will cause an alregic reaction and people say that the risk is worth it because they want to burn fat....are all those people stupid for risking their lives with a product they know so little about? I don't think so. NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU WARN PEOPLE...someone somewhere will fuck it up and die from it and ruin it for everyone else. Like that jackass major league baseball player who had 300mgs of ephadrine in his system at one time...that is not counting what was digested. That shit gets stuffed banned. How many peopl know that taking 300mg of ephadrine could kill you???

But the thing is, they know enough to say: "this dose is safe, this dose is not safe" with the stuff you are talking about. And obviously allergic reactions are a risk with anything, that's up to the individual to figure out, it's not a danger with the product.

With DNP and AAS not enough research has been done to say, this dose is safe for everyone, and this dose is unsafe for everyone. That is why I believe they are still illegal.

I may not be right, that's just what I think.

And yes, there are always morons who will abuse anything you throw at them, but the difference comes when an intelligent person can be harmed when using the drug responsibly...which can happen with DNP.

And I agree with you about people who don't know enough about it "PMS-ing" about it.

 

[Antti]

But the thing is, they know enough to say: "this dose is safe, this dose is not safe" with the stuff you are talking about

With DNP and AAS not enough research has been done to say, this dose is safe for everyone, and this dose is unsafe for everyone.

My point is exactly that. We don't really know whether if you use DNP according to the recommendations you'll be safe.

 

[smokinghawk]

Not sure what to make of all this. I've used it before, and LOVED the stuff. Also found quite a lot of published medline research supporting its safety. Yet I also acknowledge that it is a substance that can be abused to dangerous ends.

I suspect that some people just try to push too far, either in dosage or in accompanying lifestyle. Others fail to develop proper advanced knowledge.

I'm not sure whast the argument is here, though, since we ALL agree the stuff is potentially dangerous. I guess we all disagree on the extent: some see it as insane in any dose, and others (like me) understand its potential dangers but have no fear with proper dosage.

 

[Antti]

I guess we all disagree on the extent: some see it as insane in any dose, and others (like me) understand its potential dangers but have no fear with proper dosage.

Do you claim to know the proper dosage and what do you base your knowledge on? And please tell me your idea of a proper dosage?

 

[halfaclue]

My point is exactly that. We don't really know whether if you use DNP according to the recommendations you'll be safe.

This isn't to be a dick, but what is the recommended dosage for smoking cigarettes so that they are safe? What about drinking alcohol? Seriously I know both of your points and they are valid and much more appreciated then people calling me an idiot because I choose to use DNP.....but how does one use alcohol safely? How about my great state of NY .04 BAC is operating a motor vehicle safely on alcohol. What if you are 120lbs 5' itialin who just turned 21 and had his first shot and a beer. Your legally allowed to drive your car and if you crashed into someone and killed them it would just be an accident? ?? That is not safely...no one can say how to drink safely..it is widely accepted but if you really think about it you can not put a value on alcohol safety.

 

[Antti]

This isn't to be a dick, but what is the recommended dosage for smoking cigarettes so that they are safe? What about drinking alcohol? Seriously I know both of your points and they are valid and much more appreciated then people calling me an idiot because I choose to use DNP.....but how does one use alcohol safely? How about my great state of NY .04 BAC is operating a motor vehicle safely on alcohol. What if you are 120lbs 5' itialin who just turned 21 and had his first shot and a beer. Your legally allowed to drive your car and if you crashed into someone and killed them it would just be an accident? ?? That is not safely...no one can say how to drink safely..it is widely accepted but if you really think about it you can not put a value on alcohol safety.

Yes, you do have a point. One thing that also must be taken into consideration is that alcohol has been used so much that we can to a degree take the experimental evidence into consideration.

 

[I2ancid]

Show me some evidence of this, and your personal or all your buddies experiences will not do. Real Scientific Evidence, or else you'll sound like a youngster who has tried cannabis and because he didn't get serious harms he now says it's harmless

Hah, ok antti:

http://www.pslgroup.com/dg/214fe2.htm

"Acetaminophen poisoning is one of the most common types of poisoning and is placing an enormous financial burden on hospitals, particularly as these patients are traditionally managed in intensive care units.

Acetaminophen is an effective and safe painkiller. However, if taken in excess it can be fatal. Taking an acetaminophen overdose overwhelms the liver's ability to process the drug. The excess acetaminophen is then processed into toxic chemicals, which can kill liver cells. If enough cells are killed the patient can die from liver failure. "

Oh wow! It's legal aswell! I bet your parents have a years supply of the shit in their medicine cabinet too. Ok well this is the last time I'm argueing anything about DNP, i'm a humble person, you guys can believe what you want, just be smart.

-J

 

[I2ancid]

Whenever people say something is bad, people just pick other things and say they're worse. People say steroids are bad, other people say tobacco is worse...people say DNP is bad, other people say tylenol is worse...

Let's be real here for a second...DNP is worse than any of them...it's just that fewer people use it. Yes, tylenol kills people sometimes, but there are billions of people using it. Smoking kills people, but after decades and decades of use...it doesn't have the potential to kill someone within a day like DNP does. Alcohol can kill you in a second, but it's easy to educate people on responsible use.

My theory on why some things are legal, and some are illegal all comes down to education. It's easy to tell people, don't drink and drive or you could die...don't smoke or you cold die earlier.

It's alot harder to educate people about responsible use of something like DNP and AAS. It takes a long time to figure out how to use that stuff safely, and alot of people would probably still fuck it up.

Bulldog, you're right, though alot of people have used DNP aswell, it doesen't kill the majority of them. I've only heard of 1 confirmed DNP death EVER. This last one may or may not be true, I'm not one to decide but I can gaurentee you there were other factors involved in his death, just like complications with other medicine.

However I do understand that the boards would be held responsible if everyone here advocated the use of DNP and someone died so with that said. DO NOT USE DNP, EVER.