38 yr old require advice!!

[rolln]

Hi there, Im 38 years been training since I was 18, lately though I have been unable to make good gains until recently when I got on TRT. With low doses of Test Cyp at 100mg/wk, this got me getting some really good results.

Now I am considering a mild dose of GH (Somatropin), about 1 i.u./day 5 days on 2 days off. This is for anti-aging and fat loss purposes. I will be running this 6 months straight and perhaps even longer , Is this a good dose to stay on? My diet is going to be ultra clean, loads of veggies, high protein and low carbs. I am an endomorph and gain weight easily with carbs, so I am quite careful with what I eat.

I had done a major cycle 3 years back with GH and saw tremendous change but it was shortlived because of the cycle span. This time is a longer run at low doses. So it would be:
Test Cyp 50mg Sun & Thurs
GH 1 iu Sun-Thurs

Should I even bother adding IGF-1 to such a low does? Been reading such tremendous gains with this combo.

Your thoughts?

Thanks in advance!

 

[Power36]

Id run a steroid cycle/blast for the cost versus 6 months of low dose GH

 

[XMAN.]

Agree with power , at ur age if u want to take the gh route for anti aging it would be 2 iu's/ed and non stop whole ur life and within the years u'll start noticing the gr8 effect of it, but if ur looking for fast results 1iu gh for 6 months is a waste of ur money u can get a lot better results with the fraction of gh cost with steroids, just do a couple of blasts with test (500mg/w) a year u may add other compounds like winny or var or primo too if budget is not an issue, but still a lot less then gh.
We all when past 30 yo should consider gh as a lifetime protocol but budget is the issue with most of us here, a low dose of gh run all year long is what really works no rush with it.

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[rolln]

Thank you Power36 and Xman! I must admit I do enjoy reading your responses Xman you seem to know what you are talking about, followed you quite a bit through the boards here! I was about to ask Power36 why the blasts but you seem to have explained a bit. However my question to you both is, why Steroid blasts and at 500mg? I already have low Test, wouldn't this cause an issue in the long run? I was going to up GH to 2 ius but for cost purposes do it every other day. From what you stated Xman I have to do this my whole life? I read with such a dose I could get pretty good results within 6 months and keep the gains after, i wouldn't mind extending it for a year as long as my body's composition transforms and stays that way. I will continue though to administer Test Cyp as my TRT after a year of GH.
Again why the Steroid blast!? And if I was to begin do you think Test Cyp would be the best ester to go with?

Thank you again guys, much appreciated!

 

[lorax]

With the cost and availability of GH, being on it life long seems a little intimidating to me. I have a good job now and an HRT clinic that will prescribe it, but what if either of those two goes away for whatever reason. I am a proponent of the blast & cruise as well.

 

[rolln]

Thanks Lorax for your response, you are right on that. I believe I may just do a good solid year of it and then see what's next. As for Steroid blasts, how long do these last and how long do you cruise? Also, will I have to do a PCT at any point? Do note I am prone to gyno and all I have or can attain is Arimedex as m AI. At the moment I am on TRT 100mg/wk of Test Cyp. This is actually working wonders, I have gained some good size, I amy increase it to 150mg, I will get my blood work done prior to that.

 

[XMAN.]

For bodybuilding purposes (muscle gain) and as a first timer u need at least 4 iu's of gh ed for at least 6 months and a year is optimal, believe me when i say 2 iu won't do anything in this short period of time this dose is just replacing ur youth gh and what is know about gh is that it works slowly within the years of use, for a bit faster results and still on a normal amateur dose 8 iu would be perfect for someone looking for gr8 results within the first year, and btw gh by itself is not anabolic still not proven at least and if it is it'll be very weak anabolically, what it really does is it accelerates the rate of recovery and u can make more use of ur time, means u can do the work of 3 weeks workouts in just a week using gh but of course diet has to follow as well.
Now what really is a fast mass builder and have a direct effect on muscle building r steroids and specially the King Testosterone and that's proven from decades, u had a gr8 improvement on 100mg just beginning hrt imagine what would happen with 500 mg of course following a good diet and exercise regimen, testosterone works directly on the androgen receptors that promote protein synthesis and agressiveness which is crucial for increasing strength and muscle hypertrophy. Always remember to at least eat a gram of protein per pound of lean mass (exclude fat mass) and always change ur exercise regimen and try to go progressive (increase weight volume or shortening rest period) every week or two. U may blast for 8 weeks with test cyp and it's an excellent choice btw and cruise for at least the same time but in ur case keep longer intervals as i think u don't need more than 2 blasts a year, 3 would be the maximum. After the blasts u'll return to hrt doses and keep cruising on that untill ur next blasts. I said 8 weeks blasts no more as it's enough to over saturate ur receptors and by then u'll gains will stall and u need either to increase the dose to push it forward at the cost of many potential sides or stop after 8 weeks and let it clear ur system and do it again with the same dose.
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[rolln]

Xman Thank You for your indepth and invaluable help, I also thank the rest of the brothers on here who provided their advice and so....I am taking the plunge. I have begun my first blast, first shot administered this week Test Cyp 200mg on Mon will administer another 200 on Thursday. I was wondering will 400mg/wk suffice? Also do you think adding something else would be beneficial? As you stated Xman, I do not want to burn out my receptors. I was thinking of adding Equipoise at 200mg/wk. Do you think doing these blasts at my age will have any adverse effects in the long run?? Do keep in mind I have already done 3 cycles in the past.

Furthermore I did a bit of research and apparently Test Cyp ranked out to be very low on the scale of keeping muscle gain. Why is that although it is Testosterone based?

As for GH, too funny Brother, I was thinking of the same dose (8ius) before reading your response I would really like to go on that but cost is definitely an issue. I believe I am going to up it 4ius and run it 6 mos but, again cost being an issue, will run it 5 on 5 off. What are your thoughts on that? If I can, I will try to run this for a year. I really want a change in my body comp and keep it that way.

Suggested cruising would be 100mg/wk and how long? As for my 2nd and 3rd blasts, how many months apart do you suggest? I was thinking of running this for 6 weeks, take 6 weeks off and run another blast (summer and then cruise all the way. Your thoughts, please?

Now when this blast is done, do I require any PCT?? I am taking 12.5mg of Arimedex together with 250mg of HCG when administering my Test Cyp shots.

I must admit just administering that extra dose and man am I putting on some lean mass, that's just insane! As for diet, chicken breasts, red meat, brocolli and okra....that's all I eat day in and day out. I can't stand tuna anymore. I will throw in Tilapia. I am an Endomorph so I cannot do a lot of heavy carbs, I just tend to keep it. However I do not want to look flat either, so any advice on what to eat when?

Right now for Supps they are BCAA (prior and after workout), Whey protein (prior, after and evening snack), Vitamin C (1000mg), Fish Oils (2-3gs), Probiotics, GABA, Arginine and ZMA

Oh PLEASE tell me, how to get rid of the water retention??? I look like a human marshmallow all of a sudden, my rugged jawline is drowned :/ Currently started taking Lasix tab 20mg prior to bedtime.

Pardon my overexhaustive post, but I rather do so as I value everyone's positive help on here!

Many thanks!

 

[Power36]

GH is way too expensive to be using as a muscle builder unless you are seriously into BB or really wealthy...

how long have you been on TRT???? If you just started TRT and then jumped into a blast I think you are overboard....get your natural hormones in order, find out where your estrogen is on your regular TRT dose, and learn how to manage it with an AI....get healthy, get stable, and then if you really are dying to increase gains do blasts...

if you really needed Test, you wanna get everything figured out and in a stable fashion homeostasis for everything in your labs....

If you were on a TRT dose and getting bigger than normal why fool around? That already sort of indicates you might be taking more than what you ever had naturally....I wonder about all these folks who start TRT and then say they are stronger, leaner, or bigger than ever? Hell I could juice my balls off Im never gonna be as strong and explosive as I was as a high school and college athlete, just aint gonna happen....I kinda feel like if you jump on TRT or HRT and all the sudden are bigger, stronger, leaner, or saying all the shit those old guys do in the TV commercials-then you are shooting way over what you need for TRT or HRT, way more than whatever your natural optimal dose ever was....that or you never trained hard or ate right as a kid, in high school, or your early 20s....and if thats the case, and you are jumping into blasts (maybe thats not the case with you Im just saying), I bet its short lived, you will need the juice or blasts to motivate you to actually train hard or workout...I knew plenty of guys like that in my younger days, they didnt train hard or eat right and couldnt stay motivated until they were on a cycle...now I bet they are all fat asses or pudge boys....

Whether you are young in your teens or early 20s and looking to juice, or you are just starting TRT and wanting to blast and cruise already, I say hold off, slow down, and do a mental and gut check about WTF you want to do with your health and what your goals really are long term...

 

[XMAN.]

Xman Thank You for your indepth and invaluable help, I also thank the rest of the brothers on here who provided their advice and so....I am taking the plunge. I have begun my first blast, first shot administered this week Test Cyp 200mg on Mon will administer another 200 on Thursday. I was wondering will 400mg/wk suffice? Also do you think adding something else would be beneficial? As you stated Xman, I do not want to burn out my receptors. I was thinking of adding Equipoise at 200mg/wk. Do you think doing these blasts at my age will have any adverse effects in the long run?? Do keep in mind I have already done 3 cycles in the past.

Furthermore I did a bit of research and apparently Test Cyp ranked out to be very low on the scale of keeping muscle gain. Why is that although it is Testosterone based?

As for GH, too funny Brother, I was thinking of the same dose (8ius) before reading your response I would really like to go on that but cost is definitely an issue. I believe I am going to up it 4ius and run it 6 mos but, again cost being an issue, will run it 5 on 5 off. What are your thoughts on that? If I can, I will try to run this for a year. I really want a change in my body comp and keep it that way.

Suggested cruising would be 100mg/wk and how long? As for my 2nd and 3rd blasts, how many months apart do you suggest? I was thinking of running this for 6 weeks, take 6 weeks off and run another blast (summer and then cruise all the way. Your thoughts, please?

Now when this blast is done, do I require any PCT?? I am taking 12.5mg of Arimedex together with 250mg of HCG when administering my Test Cyp shots.

I must admit just administering that extra dose and man am I putting on some lean mass, that's just insane! As for diet, chicken breasts, red meat, brocolli and okra....that's all I eat day in and day out. I can't stand tuna anymore. I will throw in Tilapia. I am an Endomorph so I cannot do a lot of heavy carbs, I just tend to keep it. However I do not want to look flat either, so any advice on what to eat when?

Right now for Supps they are BCAA (prior and after workout), Whey protein (prior, after and evening snack), Vitamin C (1000mg), Fish Oils (2-3gs), Probiotics, GABA, Arginine and ZMA

Oh PLEASE tell me, how to get rid of the water retention??? I look like a human marshmallow all of a sudden, my rugged jawline is drowned :/ Currently started taking Lasix tab 20mg prior to bedtime.

Pardon my overexhaustive post, but I rather do so as I value everyone's positive help on here!

Many thanks!

Ok first advice like power said u need to stabilize ur hormones on hrt first b4 jumping into blasts an cruise mode, how long u've been on hrt till now and did ur improvement stopped on 100 mg ?

Second, when starting to blast u have to keep it basic means don't add any other compound other then test at the beginning, learn how ur body reacts on it, and 400 or 500 mg is enough at the beginning. Another thing is there's no thing such as receptors burnout actually ur gona increase ur androgens receptors while blasting but the thing is if u over saturate ur receptors for long time ur gains will stall anyway, it is beneficial the first 6 to 8 weeks as it puts anabolism to the roof but later on ur cortisol will rise to equates anabolism (homeostasis) and ur myostatin (the hormone responsible for limiting muscle growth) will increase a lot by then, that's y u need a break to lower these hormones.

Concerning ur health No body can really know what will happens in the future if keep doing that, u just need to watch urself and minimize the need of blasting as much as possible, 2 blasts a year would rank in the safe zone but still not a 100% thing, we all know the risks of juicing b4 jumping into this train, just keep watching ur bp , lipid panel , and ur fasting glucose.

Now about test cyp being ranked low on the scale never heard of that, sorry but that's BS. it is one of the best testosterone esters for hrt and cycling and been long in the game and very well proven for efficacity.

For gh now i say if u don't have the budget to do a decent cycle i say don't do it at all, 5 on 5 off is a bad protocol specially at that low dose, at 4 iu's u need to do it ed u may have one day off at most and i advise to do double the daily dose eod, means in ur case it is 8 iu eod shot im pwo, u'll have the best of ur gh at that quantity. But of course start lower at the beginning like 2iu in a shot and ramp up every week untill ur desired dose to manage any potential sides. U can add 5 iu's of humalog (fast insulin) at that protocol, only one shot eod with ur gh shot u'll be fine but no more just to increase the gh receptors push them outside the cells and make them more sensitive to produce more igf-1.

For the cruising period i strongly suggests to keep it longer than the blasts don't rush things ur not competing afterall this is something ur body and future health will thank u for it, in one year i don't see any need for more than two 8 weeks blasts, and several months in between, like 2 months on and 4 off, in case u insists on doing a 3rd blast at least keep 2 months off in between.

U won't need any kind of pct since ur already on hrt just go back ti ur hrt dose and u may increase ur AI dose for a while to clear the excess of estrogens if any. Keep doing ur hcg like usual.

Now for ur diet u may add eggs and beans too, i suggests u look for CKD (cyclical ketogenic diet)
www.bodybuilding.com/fun/sclark91.htm
Check this link u'll learn about it.
In summary u need to eat high proteins and high fat with very low carbs ( 30-50 grams early in the day and low GI) for 5 days and do a carb loading phase for 2 days, for example from monday to friday low carbs and on weekends u load.
Ur supps r good btw.

Now finally for water retention i strongly suggests that u stop using lasix u may be better with other moderate duretics like aldactone (spironolactone) as it doesn't affects ur minerals like lasix, and u have to watch ur estro levels cuz that's what retains water too and this is the job of ur AI , and ur sodium and carbs intake, keep them low.

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