20% Bodyfat, What's wrong w/ juicing?

[Bullseye24]

Sugar is the devil!

i agree...and the older you are the harder it is to get rid of,even at a clean diet and cardio

 

[ledhead]

Taking roids at high% of BF is not good for gaining muscle and not healthy. First, roids cause hypertrophy (cell enlargment),therefore, the more fat cells you have the more you are enlarging them. (not good). Even if diet is on spot, it still would be more difficult to shed fat than even shedding when natural. Second, you would be more susceptible to ventricul hypertrophy (HBP) taking gear at high% of BF. Shed, the fat natural and then you will yeild better results from AAS. You would still get some results I'm sure but not optimal ones, and you would be putting your health at risk. Not worth it... Then you stated you are going to take TEST E, which aromatizes (hold water). At a higher BF you would hold even more water... I don't care what anyone says, I feel the main cause of gyno is because people shoot up when BF is high. I know some folks are prone to gyno, but I think a lot of people get it because they joos with high BF..

 

[Judo Tom]

heres another thing. do you want to be 20%bf? was that your goal? were you trying to reach or get to 20%?

most likely not. and if you can not get your diet and training down naturally you should not add roids hoping for a fix. get your diet and training spot on. maintain it for a few months/years then add roids and you will be happy.

 

[obsessedwliftin]

i agree...and the older you are the harder it is to get rid of,even at a clean diet and cardio

Never a more true word spoken than this! Ugggh getting old sucks!!!!!!!

 

[stevesmi]

not much more needs to be said. got a lot of good advice on this thread.

if you need help getting down to 15% or less I would be happy to look at your diet and see what we can change.. some people have thyroid issues which means their metabolism is gonna be slooooooooooooooooow, and its much harder for them to lose fat. sometimes its something that they have developed over the years with poor lifestyle choices, other times i've seen situations where 2 siblings eat the same food and are both active, yet one is fat and one is skinny. so its not always black and white.

as far as the problems with 20% i think everyone has summed it up well but i will summarize with on the outside you won't get the definition from running AAS, on the inside its more pressure on your organs specifically your heart. 200 pounds with 10% bf vs. 200 pounds with 20% bf makes a huge difference as to heart health and how you look in the mirror

 

[Nelson Montana]

All good advice. Bottom line -- steroids are growth drugs. Their cutting and anti catabolic effects are overrated. If you're 20% bf, you're fat, and just getting in shape will make you look better.

Adding some muscle and water on top of 20% is not going to impress anyone and it'll just be more mass to carry around and strain your heart.

 

[bupeman]

I have found a way that works great for me to loose fat quickly. I take a very low dose of test, like 200mg/week. then go on a strict diet and do lots of cardio and weight training. the fat will get off you quick and you will keep more muscle this way.
If you dont have the test going while dieting you will loose muscle.
Once you get your bf low eneough then you can start a good high dose cycle.
But still keep to the products that dont make you hold too much water.Short acting test esters and tren work great for me.

 

[bringingthewood]

Awesome, thanks for the advice guys... Looks like I have to spend some time in the diet section of the forum.. Eating clean is rough, I have been working out for a while now but gained some weight after I got the gyno surgery. They didn't allow any exercise for 4 weeks, running light, etc.. nothing. Anyway, I know it should come off fast, I have the cycle ready to rock, so it's frustrating.. ha. Either way, I'll take your advice and drop the weight first. Thanks again for all the input, I appreciate it..

 

[njmuscleguy]

Awesome, thanks for the advice guys... Looks like I have to spend some time in the diet section of the forum.. Eating clean is rough, I have been working out for a while now but gained some weight after I got the gyno surgery. They didn't allow any exercise for 4 weeks, running light, etc.. nothing. Anyway, I know it should come off fast, I have the cycle ready to rock, so it's frustrating.. ha. Either way, I'll take your advice and drop the weight first. Thanks again for all the input, I appreciate it..

Bro, you just said something that really rings an alarm: "eating clean is rough"... you know what? yes, it IS tough, especially at first... but I have news for you, that's how you're gonna have to eat while ON a cycle anyway! So if you aren't doing it now, or aren't prepared to do it... then you have no business messing around with AAS... this is tough love... you've gotten some excellent advice here... run with it (literally) and then you can rock that cycle that's waiting for you!

 

[bringingthewood]

Cool.. I agree. I have to get back in to the right habits.. I used to have a great diet, and after you get in to the habits, it's not that bad. It's just getting back in to those habits is rough. Prob will end up waiting a few months and be jacked for xmas.. lol Either way, I do understand the situation now, was just looking for someone to give some reasons for me to HAVE TO cut down.. ha. I think I might use 3J who's a diet mod on .. seems like he may be able to give a personal touch and help me avoid some little things that make a big difference. Anyone ever heard of him or his service? Not sure if it's worth the $125..

http://www..com/forum/diet-forum/602974-3js-nutrition-network.html

figure I spend that on 3 bottles of whey protein.. ha. Anyway, thanks again..