working on a new routine

[ExtraMile]

Why does everyone need to do dips? Are you endorsing dips for a particular reason.

Looking at this routine, the only flaws in it are more pushing movements than pulling movements (volume and workload wise). Other than that his variety of exercises is just fine.

they are a badass exercise and have a great carryover to other presses, they are the best exercise for triceps IMO and he used to do them alot but i noticed he doesnt do them much anymore thats why i asked

lol i never said everyone has to do dips

 

[Andalite]

they are a badass exercise and have a great carryover to other presses, they are the best exercise for triceps IMO and he used to do them alot but i noticed he doesnt do them much anymore thats why i asked

How do you know they have a great carryover? Your bench isn't that big. You don't bench in the 300s or the 400s or the 500s or even close to any of those numbers.

You're just quoting other lifters when you make such claims.

But how about you think about it in this manner: are dips the ONLY exercise which helps the bench press? How can there be only ONE exercise? There are an infinite number of possibilities to progress and therefore, there are a whole bunch of exercises which vary in effectiveness from person to person.

Therefore, why don't you allow yourself to question your own training and think if doing another exercise other than dips would help you progress on the bench press faster? You said you did Military Presses (which are a FANTASTIC exercise) which have a much better carry over onto the bench press (IMO). So now there are 2 exercises. There could be more too....see, it's all relative and different from person to person. You gotta try out new things and see if they help.

Dips for example will only help you to a point. After that you will need to make adjustments and thats how you gain experience.

 

[Eric1987]

i like what i'm doing now A LOT. It's

Sunday
Power Clean- 5x3
Back Squat- 2x5, 1x12, 1x20
Weighted Pullups- 3x5
Incline DB- 3x8
Grip Work- usually static holds/farmers walks
Abs

Tuesday
Back Squat- 3 sets x 2 reps
Military Press- 5x5 (work up to 5 RM) + backoff set
DB Row- 3x5-7
Calves- Nelson's routine which is a rest/pause of 75 reps
Triceps- Usually CGBP/Skull Crushers/Dips
Abs

Thursday
Deadlifts- Vary each session- no set rep range
Front Squat- 1x5, 1x4, 1x3 (ramp up 5 lbs per workout)
Bench- 3x3 + backoff set
Cable Pullthroughs- 3x8-12
Chest Supported Row- 3x8-12
Biceps
Abs

Thanks I'll definitely take that into consideration.

 

[Tblock1]

From what I have heard(note that), dips won't give you a very good carryover to bench will you are repping at least 100 pounds+bodyweight. I personally like dips a lot when I started them but now they are starting to hurt my shoulders, so we'll see.....

 

[Andalite]

From what I have heard(note that), dips won't give you a very good carryover to bench will you are repping at least 100 pounds+bodyweight. I personally like dips a lot when I started them but now they are starting to hurt my shoulders, so we'll see.....

Well...everything has it's place. They may not be a good supplementary exercise but perhaps they might help you on your arm day, you know?

 

[the.gladiator1987]

How do you know they have a great carryover? Your bench isn't that big. You don't bench in the 300s or the 400s or the 500s or even close to any of those numbers.

You're just quoting other lifters when you make such claims.

But how about you think about it in this manner: are dips the ONLY exercise which helps the bench press? How can there be only ONE exercise? There are an infinite number of possibilities to progress and therefore, there are a whole bunch of exercises which vary in effectiveness from person to person.

Therefore, why don't you allow yourself to question your own training and think if doing another exercise other than dips would help you progress on the bench press faster? You said you did Military Presses (which are a FANTASTIC exercise) which have a much better carry over onto the bench press (IMO). So now there are 2 exercises. There could be more too....see, it's all relative and different from person to person. You gotta try out new things and see if they help.

Dips for example will only help you to a point. After that you will need to make adjustments and thats how you gain experience.

I dip 180lbs for reps at 200lbs bodyweight and my bench is 365. Just think of what my bench would be if I was dipping 350lbs + bodyweight. Dips are great to bench press, they work your chest,shoulders, tris. Why wouldnt they be a good carry over?

Dips are definetly not the only exercise to help bench. But in my training it plays a big role. Maybe not all of your guy's training but mine it does

 

[Andalite]

I dip 180lbs for reps at 200lbs bodyweight and my bench is 365. Just think of what my bench would be if I was dipping 350lbs + bodyweight. Dips are great to bench press, they work your chest,shoulders, tris. Why wouldnt they be a good carry over?

Dips are definetly not the only exercise to help bench. But in my training it plays a big role. Maybe not all of your guy's training but mine it does

I never said it would not be a good carry over. I said it is not the ONLY exercise to help your bench. Do you do only bench pres and dips and with these 2 exercises alone has your bench gotten to 365?

 

[ExtraMile]

yes, I agree with gladiator, all I did was ask jdid if he still did them because I hadnt seem them in his log for a while, and said IMO they have worked well for both size and strength which is why I asked you about doing them. You didnt really have to tell me that not everyone has to do what I like doing and everythign else you said just because I asked him if he still did them I would understand if I had said "why havnt i seen dips in your log?! thats dumb because you should be doing them, they have helped my bench" but i didnt say that. if you really have another thing to say to me about this and about why I am wrong then pm me, I dont like fucking up jdid's log all the time because of all the bad advice I give and all the wrong information I post, all Im doing is posting from my personal experience and I have never told jdid that he had to follow me or told him my way is the only way

 

[Andalite]

yes, I agree with gladiator, all I did was ask jdid if he still did them because I hadnt seem them in his log for a while, and said IMO they have worked well for both size and strength which is why I asked you about doing them. You didnt really have to tell me that not everyone has to do what I like doing and everythign else you said just because I asked him if he still did them I would understand if I had said "why havnt i seen dips in your log?! thats dumb because you should be doing them, they have helped my bench" but i didnt say that. if you really have another thing to say to me about this and about why I am wrong then pm me, I dont like fucking up jdid's log all the time because of all the bad advice I give and all the wrong information I post, all Im doing is posting from my personal experience and I have never told jdid that he had to follow me or told him my way is the only way

This is what you wrote:

how come u hardly do dips anymore?

I asked you to explain based on your experience why Dips are so essential that he is missing out on getting strong without them. I didn't ask the world out of you but to merely explain why you worded your question like that.

 

[Andalite]

and for the record: I agree with Gladiator. Dips do help you get stronger but so would any other pressing movement that mimicks the bench press. So that means incline press variations, overhead press variations, etc etc. If you get stronger on any one particular pressing exercises it is no doubt you will gain some reasonable amount of strength on the bench press. My point was why are dips alone so special? Is it that they trump any and all other possible exercises one can do?