working on a new routine

[JDid23]

why cable pullthroughs why not dips or db flyes?

why chest supported rows and not bb rows or pendlay rows?

why dont you go up in weight oin the bb curl or else youll be curling 45lbs the rest of your life

cable pullthroughs work the lower back and hamstrings- idk which exercise you're thinking of?

i already have DB Rows which is a compound lift, and BB Rows don't hit the back as much as some others (kind of rephrasing what andalite told me as i asked him the same question when he recommended this). It's also more difficult to maintain strict form so that i am working strictly my back.

BB Curl i want to stay strict on form for now- i am going to progress with 8-10-12 reps with the same weight then increase.. I don't really care how much i curl to be quite honest.

 

[the.gladiator1987]

cable pullthroughs work the lower back and hamstrings- idk which exercise you're thinking of?

i already have DB Rows which is a compound lift, and BB Rows don't hit the back as much as some others (kind of rephrasing what andalite told me as i asked him the same question when he recommended this). It's also more difficult to maintain strict form so that i am working strictly my back.

BB Curl i want to stay strict on form for now- i am going to progress with 8-10-12 reps with the same weight then increase.. I don't really care how much i curl to be quite honest.

oh im thinking of cable presses or something, im not good with cable exercises as i never do them.

If its difficult to maintain strict form then the weight needs to be lowered. But when i do bb rows sometimes ill hump it up to get that last rep or 2. Idk it worked for me. Seems to make more sense to lift 135lbsx8 rather than 40 or 50lbs for 8.

Why dont you stay strict on form for 5-6 solid reps then go up in weight? 8-10-12 reps cant just increase each week because the reps are so high, and its not about how much you curl but how its helping you get stronger and bigger. Whatever floats your boat tho good luck man

 

[Tblock1]

Honestly barbell rows over dumbbell rows for strength. The strength from barbell rows will correlate to a higher deadlift much better. I never did rows till I started the 5x5, and as soon as I started them my deadlift has gone from 335x1 to 360x5 or 365x4. There are other things besides rows responsible but I feel rows really helped.

 

[JDid23]

oh im thinking of cable presses or something, im not good with cable exercises as i never do them.

If its difficult to maintain strict form then the weight needs to be lowered. But when i do bb rows sometimes ill hump it up to get that last rep or 2. Idk it worked for me. Seems to make more sense to lift 135lbsx8 rather than 40 or 50lbs for 8.

Why dont you stay strict on form for 5-6 solid reps then go up in weight? 8-10-12 reps cant just increase each week because the reps are so high, and its not about how much you curl but how its helping you get stronger and bigger. Whatever floats your boat tho good luck man

i think you'd be surprised with your DB Row if you tried it. What are you BB Rowing now? Also, for size DB Rows i believe have a better ROM and work each side individually so one isn't doing more work (my left arm is stronger than my right.. by a lot on rows!!)

For curls, i treat it like they're curls. I don't really care how much weight i am curling, and i guess i can do 45x10-12 for 3 sets tomorrow then up it to 50 pounds.

tblock- same as to what i said to glad.. my left arm does more of the work in BB Rows, which is why i moved the weight down in DB Rows to 40 pounds to work on form (left arm was doing 60 pretty easily while my right i had to cheat).

 

[Tblock1]

i think you'd be surprised with your DB Row if you tried it. What are you BB Rowing now? Also, for size DB Rows i believe have a better ROM and work each side individually so one isn't doing more work (my left arm is stronger than my right.. by a lot on rows!!)

For curls, i treat it like they're curls. I don't really care how much weight i am curling, and i guess i can do 45x10-12 for 3 sets tomorrow then up it to 50 pounds.

tblock- same as to what i said to glad.. my left arm does more of the work in BB Rows, which is why i moved the weight down in DB Rows to 40 pounds to work on form (left arm was doing 60 pretty easily while my right i had to cheat).

For curls I don't like barbell curls either, I found I do enjoy alternating db curls once a week. I think curls are demonized too much though, they are a very functional exercise if you think about it. Not the mass builder that squats and deadlifts are, but they still are important.

Once you get your imbalance worked out with db rows you should switch to barbell rows, just my opinion but I think they work the grip better and correlate to higher deadlift strength because of the way you do them.

 

[Andalite]

Most people who do barbell rows use the worst form on the planet...lol...Dumbbell rows too but dumbbell rows = biggest bang for your buck.

The only reason being that you are actually using your upper back a lot more compared to barbell rows which hardly anybody ever does strict simply because you cannot hold a large amount of weight static with your hips and row away at it like there's no tomorrow

 

[the.gladiator1987]

Most people who do barbell rows use the worst form on the planet...lol...Dumbbell rows too but dumbbell rows = biggest bang for your buck.

The only reason being that you are actually using your upper back a lot more compared to barbell rows which hardly anybody ever does strict simply because you cannot hold a large amount of weight static with your hips and row away at it like there's no tomorrow

Then use lower weight

 

[Andalite]

Then use lower weight

But whats the point? Think of it like this: You do dumbbell rows with a 100 lbs dumbbell. You do barbell rows with 155 lbs. Thats 100 lbs per side. So the weight moved is MUCH more with the dumbbells. However, your goal here is to hit your upper back. Barbell rows are cumbersome if you want to specifically hit your upper back because of the bio mechanics of the exercise. You need to be at the right angle, not jerk the weight up, etc etc. You also reach a point where progressing is very difficult. Thats why, I think, for strength purposes: do dumbbell rows and then if you like add barbell tows to that. But the foundation of needing a strong upper back is dumbbell rows.

 

[ExtraMile]

But whats the point? Think of it like this: You do dumbbell rows with a 100 lbs dumbbell. You do barbell rows with 155 lbs. Thats 100 lbs per side. So the weight moved is MUCH more with the dumbbells. However, your goal here is to hit your upper back. Barbell rows are cumbersome if you want to specifically hit your upper back because of the bio mechanics of the exercise. You need to be at the right angle, not jerk the weight up, etc etc. You also reach a point where progressing is very difficult. Thats why, I think, for strength purposes: do dumbbell rows and then if you like add barbell tows to that. But the foundation of needing a strong upper back is dumbbell rows.

its very hard to compare the weight used in rows because it depends on how much you are concentrating on mind-muscle and using back, I do dumbell rows with 88lbs and I have hit 25 reps on each arm, but I was hauling the dumbell up and not even thinking about my traps and lats. I do barbell rows and I do them strict bend over at about 60 degrees and concentrate on pulling with my back only, because of this I go light, 143x10 for example.

I really dont get why you say its so hard for people to not move their hips and jerk the weight up, just stand steady and tighten your core, its not really hard, and if you cant pull the weight up without jerking then its too heavy. The way that you are bent over and have to maintain the position with rows means they hit abs, obliques, spinal erectors, glutes etc aswell as back bi's and forearms

but as I already said, I do both types of rows and do each one for a differant purpose. DB Rows because I enjoy them, like using heavy DB's, they make my bi's and forearms grow, help my deadlift lockouts and improve my grip, but I do barbell rows for upper and middle back and lat hypertrophy. I use a thumbell grip on barbell rows so its still kinda hard on grip towards the end of the high rep sets

 

[Andalite]

its very hard to compare the weight used in rows because it depends on how much you are concentrating on mind-muscle and using back, I do dumbell rows with 88lbs and I have hit 25 reps on each arm, but I was hauling the dumbell up and not even thinking about my traps and lats. I do barbell rows and I do them strict bend over at about 60 degrees and concentrate on pulling with my back only, because of this I go light, 143x10 for example.

I really dont get why you say its so hard for people to not move their hips and jerk the weight up, just stand steady and tighten your core, its not really hard, and if you cant pull the weight up without jerking then its too heavy. The way that you are bent over and have to maintain the position with rows means they hit abs, obliques, spinal erectors, glutes etc aswell as back bi's and forearms

but as I already said, I do both types of rows and do each one for a differant purpose. DB Rows because I enjoy them, like using heavy DB's, they make my bi's and forearms grow, help my deadlift lockouts and improve my grip, but I do barbell rows for upper and middle back and lat hypertrophy. I use a thumbell grip on barbell rows so its still kinda hard on grip towards the end of the high rep sets

The way you are describing rows: using the right weight, etc etc is the right way to do any movement: in a controlled fashion. Given your scenario: I agree with you. I'd do both.