Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below I'm glad you've finally found a diet that works for you. But PLEASE don't try to convince me that you put on fat from eating STRAIGHT pasta and potatoes. If you did not smother them in butter/cheese/gravy/salt/deep fried etc... then I can assure you, you would not have eaten enough to get fat. That's all I'm trying to get across is that carbs are not the enemy. Too many carbs COMBINED with too much fat is the enemy. So of course an Atkin's works because it eliminates the combo of high carbs and high fat. So does a low fat moderate or high carb diet. It's all good whatever works for ya.
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Oh, it definately wasn't straight. I used to eat pasta w/ grilled chicken and sauce, a good bit of garlic bread, and i'd down it all with 2 liters of Mt. Dew 
. Literally 7 or 8 times a week. Of course, compared to most beer drinking college students (i stay away from alcohol), my diet wasn't that bad in comparsion (yet obviously bad enough to turn my into a pudgy bastard)
Of course, a pizza a week didn't help either
. Literally 7 or 8 times a week. Of course, compared to most beer drinking college students (i stay away from alcohol), my diet wasn't that bad in comparsion (yet obviously bad enough to turn my into a pudgy bastard)Of course, a pizza a week didn't help either
KWKSLVR said:
A potatoe is pure sugar? I don't think so! Number one, it's a starch. Now, that may or may not be a relative of sugar, I'm not sure. However, there's a difference between sugar and SUGAR. Fructose, a sugar, is good. Sucrose, known as white, refined, table sugar, is bad. That's what I'm talking about when I say sugar. Hell, lactose is a sugar, but it sure as fuck ain't bad for you. Unless maybe you're lactose intolerant.
Next, I thought you said that you didn't get fat from eating junk food. Last time I checked fast food was the king of "junk food."
And, MS is right. Carbs are not evil. There's absolutely nothing wrong with them. In fact, as I said before, your body does not, does not, does not, does not....did I stress that enough?.... function properly without them. So eat the fucking things!
grizzly I hear ya and I agree, I am telling you if you read the Atkin's book you will understand why people who admire him and his diet are overzealous and hate Carbs with such passion.
i guess its the way he describes it, but he is right to an extent in his explanation regarding processed Carbs and processed foods in general, but this should be well known to any nutritionist.
chaste
i guess its the way he describes it, but he is right to an extent in his explanation regarding processed Carbs and processed foods in general, but this should be well known to any nutritionist.
chaste
Whoa grizzly and chaste. KWKSLVR has made mistakes in his diet and lifestyle that almost all Americans have made. Can you honestly say that none of you have done the same (eaten pizza, mountain dew, forgotten to exercise, etc,,,)? Have none of you drunk beer (which KWKSLVR claims he doesn't indulge in)? He may have suffered more from consequences than you or I, but at least you can acknowledge that he represents a large number of people who have great difficulty controlling their dietary intake of any carbs (except fibrous veggies). Spuds are defintiely in the 'starchy' catgegory and like all starchy carbs will get converted to sugar. More so than most fibrous veggies that have a large percentage of undigestible carbs.
As for beer, I don't recall that beer has any fewer calories than Mountain dew (unless it was diet Mountain Dew of course). In fact I think full sugar Mountain Dew has more cals than beer??? Anyway I'm not trying to give anyone excuses for drinking Mountain Dew instead of beer !! Just trying in a lame sorta way to get everyone to put themselves in someone else's shoes. I know Grizzly says he's 'been there and done that'. Perhaps Grizzly could give some details of the way he turned HIS life around? Every little bit helps in the battle to get or stay lean in a society full of excess.
I'll start by saying that I grew up in an extended family of lazy fat asses that had lots of associated health problems. They embarrased me sooo much in public, AND I was a chubby child. Even before I hit adolescence I was determined to "not grow up like them". It was like pushing shit uphill for the first 5 YEARS. Yes, that's how hard it was for me to make permanent and stressfree lifesyle changes. In the end I moved far, far away from them all so they couldn't seduce me with "thanksgiving/christmas/don't you like my cooking/we'll just stop by Burger King for a meal" blah blah blah.
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As for beer, I don't recall that beer has any fewer calories than Mountain dew (unless it was diet Mountain Dew of course). In fact I think full sugar Mountain Dew has more cals than beer??? Anyway I'm not trying to give anyone excuses for drinking Mountain Dew instead of beer !! Just trying in a lame sorta way to get everyone to put themselves in someone else's shoes. I know Grizzly says he's 'been there and done that'. Perhaps Grizzly could give some details of the way he turned HIS life around? Every little bit helps in the battle to get or stay lean in a society full of excess.
I'll start by saying that I grew up in an extended family of lazy fat asses that had lots of associated health problems. They embarrased me sooo much in public, AND I was a chubby child. Even before I hit adolescence I was determined to "not grow up like them". It was like pushing shit uphill for the first 5 YEARS. Yes, that's how hard it was for me to make permanent and stressfree lifesyle changes. In the end I moved far, far away from them all so they couldn't seduce me with "thanksgiving/christmas/don't you like my cooking/we'll just stop by Burger King for a meal" blah blah blah.
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Hmm im reading this with a slight frown =[
i plan to use the keto diet to lose fat, probably 5-6 months im guessing.
then i will switch to a more balanced, traditional diet, based on carbs.
i plan to use the keto diet to lose fat, probably 5-6 months im guessing.
then i will switch to a more balanced, traditional diet, based on carbs.
MS- You beat me to it. I was going to post what I did and here you go and suggest it. Maybe that means you're a great mind since you think like me.
Anyway, between late March '98 and mid-August '98 I went from 305 to 250. Here's what I ate. There was some slight variation, but, for the most part, I ate the same thing everyday. When I look back now, I realize that this wasn't the perfect bodybuilding diet, but I wasn't exactly a bodybuilder then. I was just trying to get stronger and lose some weight.
Breakfast- 2 bowls of cereal w/ skim milk.
2 yogurts
and maybe a bananna or something
Lunch- 2 turkey or pork sandwhiches on wheat bread
2 banannas
a small bag of goldfish crackers or pretzels
Pre-workout- an "energy bar" That's what it said on the bag. All it was was a small loaf of bread with fruit and nuts in it.
Dinner- Either 2 packages of ramen noodles or a chicken/pheasant stir-fry.
And then a couple of times a week I would eat a small amount of icecream since I love the shit to death.
As we can see, my diet was far from a good cutting diet, but it worked. Perhaps the most notable thing about it is that it was VERY high in carbs. In fact, I think that's the majority of what I was consuming. If I were to hazard a guess, it would have been about 55% carbs, 25-30% protein and 15-20% fat.
As for exercise, I trained Mon, tues, thurs, fri and sometimes sat. Mon/thurs was chest and back Tues/fri was legs, arms and shoulders. I'd spend about 2 hours in the gym busting my ass. Fairly high volume with about 75-90 seconds rest between sets. Interestingly enough, I didn't do a single minute of cardio in that whole time.
How's that for carbs being the devil? I don't know, hopefully, this might help someone out.
Anyway, between late March '98 and mid-August '98 I went from 305 to 250. Here's what I ate. There was some slight variation, but, for the most part, I ate the same thing everyday. When I look back now, I realize that this wasn't the perfect bodybuilding diet, but I wasn't exactly a bodybuilder then. I was just trying to get stronger and lose some weight.
Breakfast- 2 bowls of cereal w/ skim milk.
2 yogurts
and maybe a bananna or something
Lunch- 2 turkey or pork sandwhiches on wheat bread
2 banannas
a small bag of goldfish crackers or pretzels
Pre-workout- an "energy bar" That's what it said on the bag. All it was was a small loaf of bread with fruit and nuts in it.
Dinner- Either 2 packages of ramen noodles or a chicken/pheasant stir-fry.
And then a couple of times a week I would eat a small amount of icecream since I love the shit to death.
As we can see, my diet was far from a good cutting diet, but it worked. Perhaps the most notable thing about it is that it was VERY high in carbs. In fact, I think that's the majority of what I was consuming. If I were to hazard a guess, it would have been about 55% carbs, 25-30% protein and 15-20% fat.
As for exercise, I trained Mon, tues, thurs, fri and sometimes sat. Mon/thurs was chest and back Tues/fri was legs, arms and shoulders. I'd spend about 2 hours in the gym busting my ass. Fairly high volume with about 75-90 seconds rest between sets. Interestingly enough, I didn't do a single minute of cardio in that whole time.
How's that for carbs being the devil? I don't know, hopefully, this might help someone out.
KWKSLVR said:Oh, it definately wasn't straight. I used to eat pasta w/ grilled chicken and sauce, a good bit of garlic bread, and i'd down it all with 2 liters of Mt. Dew
Of course, a pizza a week didn't help either
Well, there's the problem, my brother! The two liters of soda. Currently, I'm staring at a 2 liter of coke that I pulled out of the garbage. It's not mountain dew, but all sodas are created mostly the same. A 2 liter has 800 calories all of which come from...dum, dum, dum...SUGAR! The garlic bread ain't too good either. It was probably made from white bread and all of the butter just isn't very low-calorie. As for your diet not being as bad as most college kids, it's the exact same thing, minus the beer. I know, I've been in college for 4 years already and I know how my friends eat. Actually, you probably ate more than the majority. I don't if it's just the people I've lived, but they barely eat ever. Two times daily and they don't even eat that much when they do eat. I wasn't even sure if my roomate last year ever ate. I think I only saw him do it about 5 times all year.
Oops! Quick edit here. I forgot the real kicker of the soda drinking. If you drank 7-8 2 liters a week that's 5600-6400 calories. That right there is almost equivalent to 2 pounds. Most likely, that's where the weight gain came from when you add it on top of whatever it was that you would eat everyday.
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To clarify, when i said that junk food never made me fat, i meant that because i've never been a junk food eater in the traditional sense (other than soda ) I never really came in after school and dug into chips, i never really ate popcorn at the movies, etc, etc.
I cut out all carbonated and caffinated beverages about 2 years ago and haven't looked back. Now i drink water, and only water. Its all i need, and all i want.
I worked at McDonalds and at Dominoes my Senior year of high school and after seeing what goes into the food, the experience was ruined for me. From then till now (i'm a junior in college) i've probably had fast food a dozen times, not bad in almost 4 years. From the time i stopped eating fast food and drinking soda, till the time i started Atkins, i gained about 40lbs or so (went from a 42-48, i'm a 40 now). Of course, i don't count pizza as fast food, we used to go in and sit down and be served. Basically what i'm getting at is that my diet consisted mainly of pasta. When i started Atkins i transfered LITERALLY 13lbs of pasta (all from Sams Club ) from my pantry to my roomates pantry.
As far as the amounts i used to eat. Man, my roomate still beats me out. He's ALWAYS eating. He spends more in 1 month eating out, than i do on protein bars, vitamins, and regular groceries. I can hear him poping something in the microwave as i type this LoL.
) I never really came in after school and dug into chips, i never really ate popcorn at the movies, etc, etc.I cut out all carbonated and caffinated beverages about 2 years ago and haven't looked back. Now i drink water, and only water. Its all i need, and all i want.
I worked at McDonalds and at Dominoes my Senior year of high school and after seeing what goes into the food, the experience was ruined for me. From then till now (i'm a junior in college) i've probably had fast food a dozen times, not bad in almost 4 years. From the time i stopped eating fast food and drinking soda, till the time i started Atkins, i gained about 40lbs or so (went from a 42-48, i'm a 40 now). Of course, i don't count pizza as fast food, we used to go in and sit down and be served
. Basically what i'm getting at is that my diet consisted mainly of pasta. When i started Atkins i transfered LITERALLY 13lbs of pasta (all from Sams Club ) from my pantry to my roomates pantry.As far as the amounts i used to eat. Man, my roomate still beats me out. He's ALWAYS eating. He spends more in 1 month eating out, than i do on protein bars, vitamins, and regular groceries. I can hear him poping something in the microwave as i type this LoL.
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