Why does everyone on this board thinks 500mg test is a good beginner cycle?????

[Dr.RobertBanner]

Very good post, nice to see a newbie with a little back ground that can add to the boards. (Although, you will have some here put test behind tren, but everyone has their own opinions.)

Nautica

Thank you very much, that means a lot to me. Seriously. The reasons I put the tren behind the test are:

1) frequency of injections, ED is a little much for most newbies, also this usually entails more injection sites in you rotation

2) price, although tren is cheap, it's only cheap if you make your own (not something first timers are to keen on usually), and if you find a good deal on good test, it can still be a lot cheaper than homemade "golden goodness"

3) tren gyno is harder to deal with (sounds like we're still working on it w/ vitex, bromo, and whatever huck is trying to get for us), test only requires l-dex, letrozole, or nolva, all much easier to get

4) tren works best for mass w/ a class 2 steroid (d-bol, winny, etc...) or with test

If the tren gyno problem is put to rest and someone comes out w/ para again at a decent price, it will probably be a tie or a win for tren, though.

That said I think the ideal situation is a test/tren stack, which is what I'll be starting very soon (psyched!!!) if my damn test ever gets here.

 

[da big thinker]

i dont give a shit if you are a rookie or a vet
Big dosages = Big gains
Small Dosages = Small Gains

sorry...but this is an ignorant statement...if you think that your gains will come from higher dosages,you are sadly mistaken my friend.

 

[bigpimp]

sorry...but this is an ignorant statement...if you think that your gains will come from higher dosages,you are sadly mistaken my friend.

damn....then someone should tell ronnie coleman that he is doing it all wrong

 

[argent]

You also need to account for the size of the person. A 5' 0" 140 lb. guy could probably be fine w/ less than 500mg, but a 6' 3" 220 lb. guy might need more than 250mg.

 

[cccp]

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[da big thinker]

damn....then someone should tell ronnie coleman that he is doing it all wrong

let's take a more realistic approach pimp...tell us what dosages you are using and let us know your stats...?i know tons of guys who are using high dosages who are merely trying to break the 190 barrier...then you have a few using moderate dosages w/ proper diet and training as well as recup,growing faster than expected and breaking 230-250lbs barrier...to say something like higher dosages = bigger gains is ignorant...take the time to include all factors necessary to GROW instead of stating something like that...if you feel it necessary to follow in ronnie's foot steps...lol...then you can go ahead...but you DON'T need high dosages for big gains...

 

[Nathan]

I think 400mg-500mg/week is a good first dose since it's a bit of a gamble whether or not you will gain well from 250mg/week whereas if you can't gain phenomenally off 500mg/week then you suck ass and it is probably your own damn fault.

 

[bigpimp]

let's take a more realistic approach pimp...tell us what dosages you are using and let us know your stats...?i know tons of guys who are using high dosages who are merely trying to break the 190 barrier...then you have a few using moderate dosages w/ proper diet and training as well as recup,growing faster than expected and breaking 230-250lbs barrier...to say something like higher dosages = bigger gains is ignorant...take the time to include all factors necessary to GROW instead of stating something like that...if you feel it necessary to follow in ronnie's foot steps...lol...then you can go ahead...but you DON'T need high dosages for big gains...

i agree with one thing...........anyone trying to break 190 should use a relatively low dose around 500-750 a week of test
but 220 and up i would say to do no less than 1500mg a week of test and even that is low
i have talked with a few pro's about this and they basically said the same thing if you want to get big you have to take big gear, bottom line

 

[da big thinker]

i agree with one thing...........anyone trying to break 190 should use a relatively low dose around 500-750 a week of test
but 220 and up i would say to do no less than 1500mg a week of test and even that is low
i have talked with a few pro's about this and they basically said the same thing if you want to get big you have to take big gear, bottom line

PIMP...i guess we don't see eye to eye...let me explain bro...i am 235 lbs and still growing confortably w/ 500mg test...why is it that everyone assumes dosages relate to bodyweight...it all depends on how much test is naturally flowing already into your system...if a 220 lb bber has naturally low test levels,then perhaps your theory MIGHT work...but if a 220 lb bber has naturally high levels of test...then what...?i really don't think bwt has anything to do with it,but rather the individiual himself and how much natural test is circulating in his own body...neverthless,if you consider natural test levels in anyone's body...you will quickly find out that 500mg/week is a whopping amount to anybody regardless of bwt...that's all i'm trying to say...---fyi

PS:i can just see lil' joey reading this on elite and thinking that he needs 1500mg of test to grow because he's naturally "big" at 200 lbs...

 

[bigpimp]

PIMP...i guess we don't see eye to eye...let me explain bro...i am 235 lbs and still growing confortably w/ 500mg test...why is it that everyone assumes dosages relate to bodyweight...it all depends on how much test is naturally flowing already into your system...if a 220 lb bber has naturally low test levels,then perhaps your theory MIGHT work...but if a 220 lb bber has naturally high levels of test...then what...?i really don't think bwt has anything to do with it,but rather the individiual himself and how much natural test is circulating in his own body...neverthless,if you consider natural test levels in anyone's body...you will quickly find out that 500mg/week is a whopping amount to anybody regardless of bwt...that's all i'm trying to say...---fyi

PS:i can just see lil' joey reading this on elite and thinking that he needs 1500mg of test to grow because he's naturally "big" at 200 lbs...

no prob..some people will never see eye to eye
but i am just saying what i have been told by guys that are 270lbs at 4% bf
but then again everyone is different and reacts differently, but i am still sticking to my fisrt post