Unattractive men do get the hotties

[blueta2]

i'd like some proof that the two females mentioned in the first post are actually attractive.


hot to a chick is generally average at best to a guy.

I would NOT post her pic on EF, but many folks here have me on their FB and this Megan Fox is also on my FB, so I can show them her pic. They would agree, even though I am old and senile.

 

[blueta2]

Bliue have you ever seen the opposite case? Hot guy, average looking chic?

Hey
Not often, but a few times.
At my high school reunion, some major stud puppy walked and and all the girls were drooling, then we realized, he was the husband of a very large and sorta Rosanne like women we went to high school with. Thing is, this girl was the sweetest and nothing like Rosanne.
I could see why he loved her.

 

[blueta2]

Ghetto, I find the total opposite. I was a schelp im my early 30's and started to take care of myself in my mid 30's, I look better now than I did when I was 30 and I'm 44.
Women are taking way better care of themselves.

I would see women like modest/shy guys. Not dead heads or non commiuncative, but shy is nice.

men and women will never see eye to eye, it's about love, respect and again, how much two can tolerate.

 

[Arcon167]

Ghetto, I find the total opposite. I was a schelp im my early 30's and started to take care of myself in my mid 30's, I look better now than I did when I was 30 and I'm 44.
Women are taking way better care of themselves.

I would see women like modest/shy guys. Not dead heads or non commiuncative, but shy is nice.

men and women will never see eye to eye, it's about love, respect and again, how much two can tolerate.

LOL
Still even if dude had the wisdom, maturity, and game... still don't see you with a troll... of course with those qualities he would'nt be a troll, but shrek.
I don't see you with shrek.

 

[trex74]

Ghetto, I find the total opposite. I was a schelp im my early 30's and started to take care of myself in my mid 30's, I look better now than I did when I was 30 and I'm 44.
Women are taking way better care of themselves.

I would see women like modest/shy guys. Not dead heads or non commiuncative, but shy is nice.

men and women will never see eye to eye, it's about love, respect and again, how much two can tolerate.

Not for me...
I married the most outgoing, hottest, immodest, funnest, most popular guy I have ever known, and he's amazing and I love him. I don't want to have to be the one who draws someone out of their shell...Too much work, I would rather be able just to be myself and not worry about someone's shyness.
I'm no shrinking violet either, but in comparison he is the least shy between the two of us.

 

[Sub-Zero]

I've come to the conclusion most women don't have a clue what they want until they hit their 30's. At this point the majority of women start going down hill physically.

If I'm lucky I'll end up meeting a beautiful chick that has transitioned past her dumbass phase and still keeps herself in good order one of these days.

By dumbass phase I mean women that fall for cheesy ass fuckers that come off all mega macho or uber confident when I know I could shove my foot up this guys ass. Women that equate a nice/modest guy to wimp or loser. Women that fall for assholes and think bad boys are "interesting". Ya, if you consider someone taking the equivalent of a crap on you all the time as a sexual turn on(oh so many women). Guy A is a bitch nigga and treats you like crap and acts like he's billy badass and over here I stand modest if not abit shy yet that guy likely couldn't hold my jockstrap. I see this every day.

I've gotten to the point that I don't even pursue women in my age group(30) + or - 5 years.

It's almost comical in a sad way too because I have been told by a few very gorgeous women how handsome I am and have been with a few knockouts in my high school days.

With a guy like me I know what I can and can't do. I probably come across as a rather modest/shy guy which seems to turn off the majority of women even though I am bigger, stronger, smarter, and probably alot tougher than countless men I see walking around with attractive girlfriends. I don't have to act like a tough guy or a badass because I already know I am to a certain extent.

I have standards, but they have dropped massively since I was in highschool because I can see past physical perfection now. I still have to be physically attracted to a girl, but now it might be the sound of her voice or the look of her hands as something I find very desirable besides being a decent looking girl. This is just from initial impressions.

I also am grounded in reality and know that I am not perfect by a longshot as well.

I just can't act like I'm not interested in a woman I find attractive. I can't treat a woman like shit even if I know it means I'll get her in bed. The few, very few times I have treated an attractive girl like shit because I was having a bad day or something are the few times I have had girls aggressively pursue me which blows me the fuck away. It's completely ass backwards.

I always end up remembering and old line between a novice mountain man and an old grizzled mountain man in bear skins(the movie Jeremiah Johnson). The young guy asks the old guy about whether he misses having a woman around. The old guy replies he never had much luck with them and can't seem to see eye to eye with them so why bother.

Eh, whatever.

sounds like you have no confidence with women and are just disguising it to us (or even yourself) as something being wrong with the women.

how about you get less shy and more confident and exuberant, while still being nice, and become the ultimate catch? instead of letting the assholes cut you in line!

 

[Sub-Zero]

Not for me...
I married the most outgoing, hottest, immodest, funnest, most popular guy I have ever known, and he's amazing and I love him. I don't want to have to be the one who draws someone out of their shell...Too much work, I would rather be able just to be myself and not worry about someone's shyness.
I'm no shrinking violet either, but in comparison he is the least shy between the two of us.

its easy to be confident when you cheat regularly on your spouse.

goodluck in divorce court

 

[trex74]

its easy to be confident when you cheat regularly on your spouse.

goodluck in divorce court

oh stop projecting

 

[miplank]

its easy to be confident when you cheat regularly on your spouse.

goodluck in divorce court

lol

 

[TC2]

Bro...stop dating white women...seriously I was the exact same way as you. I'm a good looking Guy
..have no problems getting attractive women...but cannot stand the immaturity and bullshit. Met my wife who is Croatian/Hispanic and never even looked at another white woman again. Its fucking night and day...no drama no bullshit ...the better you treat them the better they treat you...as it fucking should be.

Posted with my Droid EO Forum App

 

[blueta2]

Not for me...
I married the most outgoing, hottest, immodest, funnest, most popular guy I have ever known, and he's amazing and I love him. I don't want to have to be the one who draws someone out of their shell...Too much work, I would rather be able just to be myself and not worry about someone's shyness.
I'm no shrinking violet either, but in comparison he is the least shy between the two of us.

Shy people are not always in a shell, sometimes, they are just modest and quiet. That's nice to me.
I'm the outgoing and funny one so I think it's a nice balance in the relationship.

 

[blueta2]

LOL
Still even if dude had the wisdom, maturity, and game... still don't see you with a troll... of course with those qualities he would'nt be a troll, but shrek.
I don't see you with shrek.

Shrek was cool though. He fought for the women he loved! My kinda man!

 

[blueta2]

its easy to be confident when you cheat regularly on your spouse.

goodluck in divorce court

what did I miss?!

 

[trex74]

Shy people are not always in a shell, sometimes, they are just modest and quiet. That's nice to me.
I'm the outgoing and funny one so I think it's a nice balance in the relationship.

often false modesty and an inferiority complex. you have to watch out for the quiet ones

 

[trex74]

what did I miss?!

Just the musings of a half-wit, that's all
Nothing worth mentioning.

 

[cindylou]

often false modesty and an inferiority complex. you have to watch out for the quiet ones

lol I hope you're joking.

 

[trex74]

lol I hope you're joking.

there's a grain of truth in that

 

[uamaverick]

They're quiet because they have small dicks, and don't want to actually have female contact.

Like these guys

(fucking NSFW!)

CrazySteezyo Howard Stern: Small Penis Contest

 

[blueta2]

there's a grain of truth in that

 

[blueta2]

They're quiet because they have small dicks, and don't want to actually have female contact.

Like these guys

(fucking NSFW!)

CrazySteezyo Howard Stern: Small Penis Contest

You look good in a blue hat

 

[uamaverick]

I'm very proud of my victory in that contest.

 

[nefertiti]

Not for me...
I married the most outgoing, hottest, immodest, funnest, most popular guy I have ever known, and he's amazing and I love him. I don't want to have to be the one who draws someone out of their shell...Too much work, I would rather be able just to be myself and not worry about someone's shyness.
I'm no shrinking violet either, but in comparison he is the least shy between the two of us.

I'm pretty shy (except around work...I'm a total goofball with customers), but i do a good job of hiding it....I tend to be drawn to extremely extroverted types because I feel more comfortable in my own skin around them and become more extroverted myself naturally.

I dated a guy once for like 8 months who was not by any definition attractive physically (red hair, big ears, freckles everywhere). We had been really good friends for years and out of the blue he confessed feelings for me, so I gave it a shot. I did legitimately develop feelings for the guy, but then I moved out to Austin. I was young and we both sucked at the long distance thing and things ended up going sour, but it had nothing to do with his looks.

That was a special case though....he is still to this day one of the most gut busting hilarious people i've ever met and I had a strong connection to him before things ever got romatic. Can't see that happening again.

 

[hurricane]

i'd like some proof that the two females mentioned in the first post are actually attractive.


hot to a chick is generally average at best to a guy.

hot chicks go for guys with money that are stable.. fact ..regardless of looks ..cant remember last time i seen a hot chick with a stud type(no homo)

average looking chicks go for looks..makes them feel like they bettered themselves in public eye

ugly chicks dont give a shit..whoever gives them attention

much easier for an ugly fat sucessful man to pull a hot chick then an average broad!

 

[nefertiti]

hot chicks go for guys with money that are stable.. fact ..regardless of looks ..cant remember last time i seen a hot chick with a stud type(no homo)

average looking chicks go for looks..makes them feel like they bettered themselves in public eye

ugly chicks dont give a shit..whoever gives them attention

much easier for an ugly fat sucessful man to pull a hot chick then an average broad!

That depends some on where you live. I can see that being the case around NY, but down here, not at all. Lots and lots of beautiful people, and they all tend to flock together/date each other.

 

[cindylou]

I'm pretty shy (except around work...I'm a total goofball with customers), but i do a good job of hiding it....I tend to be drawn to extremely extroverted types because I feel more comfortable in my own skin around them and become more extroverted myself naturally.

I dated a guy once for like 8 months who was not by any definition attractive physically (red hair, big ears, freckles everywhere). We had been really good friends for years and out of the blue he confessed feelings for me, so I gave it a shot. I did legitimately develop feelings for the guy, but then I moved out to Austin. I was young and we both sucked at the long distance thing and things ended up going sour, but it had nothing to do with his looks.

That was a special case though....he is still to this day one of the most gut busting hilarious people i've ever met and I had a strong connection to him before things ever got romatic. Can't see that happening again.

I consider myself quiet but not shy. Just quiet. Neither more and neither less. I am also naturally drawn the more extroverted types....I'm not so much of an introvert that can't be with an extrovert..he just can't be sooo outgoing that he can't deal with the fact that certain superfical relationships suck the life out of me and I can't go out all the time.

 

[Roxy722]

True, it's all about perspective.
I would always say if the person I loved got fat, horrid looking or was ill or hurt in anyway, I would still love them.

Now, do they make this "real doll" in a male version?

LOL love it!! If only

 

[stevesmi]

That depends some on where you live. I can see that being the case around NY, but down here, not at all. Lots and lots of beautiful people, and they all tend to flock together/date each other.

agreed. it makes a huge difference where you live.

out west in the large cities (LA, SF, SD) there are way more single males then females.

east in the big cities (NY, DC, PH) its the opposite.

based on that the odds you will see an ugly guy with a hot chick are more in those areas like NY, DC, PH......

Minority Rules: Sex Ratios and Suffrage - NYTimes.com

 

[nefertiti]

NY,DC, and PH are also just generally less attractive cities IMO.

One of my best friends from DC came down to where I live now for a visit and one of the first things she said was , "Jesus, everyone is beautiful around here."

Profession isn't much of a big deal for 20-35 around here either...everyone I know works in the dive industry, the surf industry, the movie/TV industry, works at a bar/restaurant, or something fairly blue collar. It's a beach town, not a place where you're going to find a whole lot of ugly powerful rich guys coming in and swooping up the pretty college girls (unless your name is michael jordan). No one is moving here for a job unless it's dive/movie/surf related and everyone else just loves the area and finds a way to make it work. Just a totally different atmosphere than a big city.

 

[blueta2]

LOL love it!! If only

Yeah, our lives would make sense at least then ;-)

 

[blueta2]

hot chicks go for guys with money that are stable.. fact ..regardless of looks ..cant remember last time i seen a hot chick with a stud type(no homo)

average looking chicks go for looks..makes them feel like they bettered themselves in public eye

ugly chicks dont give a shit..whoever gives them attention

much easier for an ugly fat sucessful man to pull a hot chick then an average broad!

Well I don't know what I'm considered, but I never went for a guy with money. I like a guy with good looks but not to make myself feel better, but it's what I feel hot and attracted to.

I know many peeps, hot and ugly that chase anything for the attention alone. That's about low self esteem and not looks

 

[stevesmi]

NY,DC, and PH are also just generally less attractive cities IMO.
.

i agree. also there are other factors. like in NY the women are very independent and do not want to be in relationships for example.. although they have little choice cause men can have a different date every weekend while they sit by the phone. I watch a lot of Sex and the city so I know how things are there as it is a realist portrayal of how women behave in NYC

 

[stevesmi]

Well I don't know what I'm considered, but I never went for a guy with money.

you are considered incredibly beautiful and sexy.

 

[redshirt27se]

I would NOT post her pic on EF, but many folks here have me on their FB and this Megan Fox is also on my FB, so I can show them her pic. They would agree, even though I am old and senile.

if you don't feel comfortable posting them, you can just PM them to me and i'll do it.

 

[miplank]

if you don't feel comfortable posting them, you can just PM them to me and i'll do it.

lol

 

[Strongbow]

I would get some female judges and ask strongbow to have a dick size competition. But he'd probably just google "big cock" on the internet and get another fake picture, just like his the leg one he had.... lololol

Jesus Christ are you really that fucking stupid, you challenge Glad to a rap off, get beat the fuck down and now this. Post up or STFU faggot, and V can vouch for nongoogled images ya short dick pencile neck fuck. I had a wreck last nite but I will drag my ass out of bed to SUTFU nugga.

 

[redshirt27se]

why do either one of you care who has the bigger dick? trying to decide who's gonna be top and bottom?

 

[-SD-]

why do either one of you care who has the bigger dick? trying to decide who's gonna be top and bottom?

double pwn

 

[Strongbow]

why do either one of you care who has the bigger dick? trying to decide who's gonna be top and bottom?

yea i call top

 

[Sub-Zero]

I'm pretty shy (except around work...I'm a total goofball with customers), but i do a good job of hiding it....I tend to be drawn to extremely extroverted types because I feel more comfortable in my own skin around them and become more extroverted myself naturally.

I dated a guy once for like 8 months who was not by any definition attractive physically (red hair, big ears, freckles everywhere). We had been really good friends for years and out of the blue he confessed feelings for me, so I gave it a shot. I did legitimately develop feelings for the guy, but then I moved out to Austin. I was young and we both sucked at the long distance thing and things ended up going sour, but it had nothing to do with his looks.

That was a special case though....he is still to this day one of the most gut busting hilarious people i've ever met and I had a strong connection to him before things ever got romatic. Can't see that happening again.

im kind of a chameleon. the better i know a person and the more confident they are the more i let them take control.

around strangers and "new people" or quiet people, i take control and am extroverted.

its weird.

im like socially lazy and only take over if i have to

 

[hurricane]

i agree. also there are other factors. like in NY the women are very independent and do not want to be in relationships for example.. although they have little choice cause men can have a different date every weekend while they sit by the phone. I watch a lot of Sex and the city so I know how things are there as it is a realist portrayal of how women behave in NYC

dude this is SO NOT true..

maybe like cute or pretty chicks yes..maybe ill give u that

but SUPER HOT or georgous chicks.. i mean like playboy centerfold HOT..they got for MONEY and security over looks ..any day of the week! i see it all the time ..its all over tv also !

 

[Lambruh]

..
I married the most outgoing, hottest, immodest, funnest, most popular guy I have ever known, and he's amazing and I love him. .

you misspelled rich and huge cawk wrong, 5 times.

 

[nefertiti]

dude this is SO NOT true..

maybe like cute or pretty chicks yes..maybe ill give u that

but SUPER HOT or georgous chicks.. i mean like playboy centerfold HOT..they got for MONEY and security over looks ..any day of the week! i see it all the time ..its all over tv also !

Nah dude. I'm telling you. I've seen some of the best looking girls of my life since I moved down here and all of them are either with really hot guys with dead end jobs OR maneaters who will suck your soul out and make you love them while they do it. You can't judge by nyc, the rest of the country doesn't go by those rules.

 

[hurricane]

Nah dude. I'm telling you. I've seen some of the best looking girls of my life since I moved down here and all of them are either with really hot guys with dead end jobs OR maneaters who will suck your soul out and make you love them while they do it. You can't judge by nyc, the rest of the country doesn't go by those rules.

i disagree! u are the only exception!

 

[Lambruh]

this is a good thread, alot of chicks posting valuable info.

keep it comin

 

[javaguru]

Y'know, something else quite a few of you aren't factoring into the equation: "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder."

Just because YOU don't not personally find a person attractive, does not mean every other person on the planet feels that way I'll give you a couple of example: There are women who are attracted to bald men, there are men who only are attracted to heavy women, there are people who only date people who are of a different ethnic group from their own, there are plenty of people who find bodybuilders of either gender "gross," need I go on?

Physical beauty is tenuous and ephemeral. What if you fall madly in love with a 10, you have a perfect courtship, you realize you've found your soul mate, you eventually marry and after 15 years of blissful marriage your beloved is in a horrible car crash that leaves their face and body scarred beyond what plastic surgery can repair. Then what? You stay with them out of a sense of loyalty but are revolted to be in their presence 24/7? You never hug, hold, kiss or make love to them again?

Then I'm forced to ask, was it ever really love, or just infatuation and you'd do just as well having a relationship with one of those $6,000 Real Dolls.

Well, symmetry has been found to be universal as a measure of attraction....beyond culture, race etc...

However, the idea of romantic love is an invention of poets and screenwriters encapsulating the biochemical attraction we feel for the opposite sex which humans evolved to encourage mating. This lasts for a few months but the best description of "true love" I've heard came from a PHD that studied it her entire career. She described it as being accustomed to the regular stimulus of the other person in your life....I've found that to be the best description.

 

[*ebony*]

lol @ some of these responses.

 

[the.gladiator1987]

Thank God I am one of the best looking people on this site, I have never ever had this problem nor will i ever have this problem. As far as girls go, I always have a back up plan. I feel bad for the guys that werent born with good looks. Actually I dont because then they'd have a chance with all my girls! lol

and lol @ iggy being wise because he said all that matters is being happy...I could have said that too

 

[cindylou]

lol @ some of these responses.

exactly

 

[cindylou]

Well, symmetry has been found to be universal as a measure of attraction....beyond culture, race etc...

However, the idea of romantic love is an invention of poets and screenwriters encapsulating the biochemical attraction we feel for the opposite sex which humans evolved to encourage mating. This lasts for a few months but the best description of "true love" I've heard came from a PHD that studied it her entire career. She described it as being accustomed to the regular stimulus of the other person in your life....I've found that to be the best description.

that is just a description of an infatuation turned friendship..which I guess could keep couples happy when things are neat and pretty...give 50 take 50..give a little get a little...if life stays pretty steady and stress free...the giving is not unselfish because it's still based on what the other does for you.. but it's masked by a sense of "togetherness"..its the halfway mark...

 

[hurricane]

Thank God I am one of the best looking people on this site, I have never ever had this problem nor will i ever have this problem. As far as girls go, I always have a back up plan. I feel bad for the guys that werent born with good looks. Actually I dont because then they'd have a chance with all my girls! lol

and lol @ iggy being wise because he said all that matters is being happy...I could have said that too

a fat bald guy with a million dollars would pull a hotie over u in a secord bor!dont think otherwise

especially after they hear about your apricot seed ideas

 

[AztecWarrior]

a fat bald guy with a million dollars would pull a hotie over u in a secord bor!dont think otherwise

especially after they hear about your apricot seed ideas

Like Danny Devito? haha.

 

[musclemom]

Well, symmetry has been found to be universal as a measure of attraction....beyond culture, race etc...

However, the idea of romantic love is an invention of poets and screenwriters encapsulating the biochemical attraction we feel for the opposite sex which humans evolved to encourage mating. This lasts for a few months but the best description of "true love" I've heard came from a PHD that studied it her entire career. She described it as being accustomed to the regular stimulus of the other person in your life....I've found that to be the best description.

I'm going to ask you a very simple, straightforward question, Java, I'm sure I've asked you before, but I'm getting old and decrepit and find my memory fails me at times: What, exactly, was the length of the LONGEST committed, monogamous relationship you've ever had?

My current one is going on 17 years. We love each other, we desire each other, we respect each other, we are each others best friends. We laugh, we love, we live in each other's hearts.

And I'm not alone, here. I know Digi's been with his wife for 20ish years and he raves about her. Needto and Angel are right up there, too.

Basically, just because you're incapable of having a mature, truely love based relationship that evolves beyond the infantile infatuation stage, doesn't mean everyone else is wired the same way (thank the gods). Dude, face it, you're good looking and smart as hell, and emotionally about 12 years old. You think because women are more emotional, they are fucked up and you're better than them. The truth is, you're the emotional retard. And I say that in the nicest possible way, seriously. I actually like and respect you but I gotta call them as I see them.

Any guy over the age of 35 that is incapable of maintaining a well balanced, long term committed relationship (despite claiming to desire one) is EITHER a complete fucking wack job psychologically OR a latent homosexual who hasn't come to terms with his latent sexual desires.

 

[mrplunkey]

I'm going to ask you a very simple, straightforward question, Java, I'm sure I've asked you before, but I'm getting old and decrepit and find my memory fails me at times: What, exactly, was the length of the LONGEST committed, monogamous relationship you've ever had?

My current one is going on 17 years. We love each other, we desire each other, we respect each other, we are each others best friends. We laugh, we love, we live in each other's hearts.

And I'm not alone, here. I know Digi's been with his wife for 20ish years and he raves about her. Needto and Angel are right up there, too.

Basically, just because you're incapable of having a mature, truely love based relationship that evolves beyond the infantile infatuation stage, doesn't mean everyone else is wired the same way (thank the gods). Dude, face it, you're good looking and smart as hell, and emotionally about 12 years old. You think because women are more emotional, they are fucked up and you're better than them. The truth is, you're the emotional retard. And I say that in the nicest possible way, seriously. I actually like and respect you but I gotta call them as I see them.

Any guy over the age of 35 that is incapable of maintaining a well balanced, long term committed relationship (despite claiming to desire one) is EITHER a complete fucking wack job psychologically OR a latent homosexual who hasn't come to terms with his latent sexual desires.

Does being more evolved entail the use of words like: "retard" and "fucking wack job"?

 

[PICK3]

Does being more evolved entail the use of words like: "retard" and "fucking wack job"?

If you have to ask your soul has knot traveled far along enough up the predetermined cosmological pattern or ascent to its pre-determined potentials


just sayin'

 

[uamaverick]

If you have to ask your soul has knot traveled far along enough up the predetermined cosmological pattern or ascent to its pre-determined potentials


just sayin'

LMAO, I don't think MM has any place calling other people wack jobs.

 

[musclemom]

Does being more evolved entail the use of words like: "retard" and "fucking wack job"?

I wasn't commenting on my level of evolution, in that post, but if you wanna play this game I've got about a half hour before I hit the sack, I'll briefly indulge you.

I could use $0.50 words to express my thoughts and feelings, but why? Retard is a perfectly acceptable word, look it up. My intention in using the word was to mean "one who was developmentally delayed or slow."

Fucking wack job, while not an aesthetically pleasing phrase, pretty well sums up a person who is mentally unbalanced without defining the parameters of such instability. I don't know Java well enough to define his mental instability, if such exists.

 

[musclemom]

LMAO, I don't think MM has any place calling other people wack jobs.

Oh, Maverick, please, do elaborate, seriously

 

[uamaverick]

Your new age bullshit is stupid. One of my best friends is into the same shit you are and he's fucked up.

 

[musclemom]

Your new age bullshit is stupid. One of my best friends is into the same shit you are and he's fucked up.

So you're basing your assumptions about me, a person you've never met, on the thoughts/behaviors of a friend. You know, literally ZERO about what I believe, you've just arbitrarily decided to lump me into the same category as him, never mind my personal philosophical, spiritual, moral or ethical beliefs.

Do you actually know what I believe? For that matter, do you really know what your friend believes? Perhaps more importantly, do you even care? Is it simply important that you have decided you are intellectually and morally superior to him/me because you have arbitrarily decided our morals, ethics and philosophy are different from yours, which makes whom sillier?

You, have no right to pass judgment upon anyone. Realistically, until you are mature enough to look yourself in the mirror and say those words to yourself with conviction, philosophical debate between us is virtually impossible.

 

[jiggagold]

what do you believe

 

[uamaverick]

So you're basing your assumptions about me, a person you've never met, on the thoughts/behaviors of a friend. You know, literally ZERO about what I believe, you've just arbitrarily decided to lump me into the same category as him, never mind my personal philosophical, spiritual, moral or ethical beliefs.

Do you actually know what I believe? For that matter, do you really know what your friend believes? Perhaps more importantly, do you even care? Is it simply important that you have decided you are intellectually and morally superior to him/me because you have arbitrarily decided our morals, ethics and philosophy are different from yours, which makes whom sillier?

You, have no right to pass judgment upon anyone. Realistically, until you are mature enough to look yourself in the mirror and say those words to yourself with conviction, philosophical debate between us is virtually impossible.

That is correct. I am an asshole.

 

[the.gladiator1987]

lol MM is the wack job, into witch craft and spells and Wicca stuff

lmao @ trying to explain that "fucking wack job" and "retard" were not meant in a harmful way at all. Those are some pretty harmful things to say, if you meant the other way like "one who was developmentally delayed or slow" or "mentally unbalanced without defining the parameters of such instability" then you would have said so.

The main reason Java says that is because he is selfish. If both people are unselfish in a relationship, it will work. Stop thinking about you and think what you can give into the relationship and for your gf/wife. When you have God in your life, you realize that you are not the most important thing in life. God is, and he wants you to honor your wife and not be selfish. God is a pretty smart dude

 

[uamaverick]

How's it going borsephine?

 

[musclemom]

what do you believe

That is such a loaded question ... The "problem" with Wicca is it isn't dogmatic, which means there isn't ONE single set of Rules, Doctrines, Beliefs.

Let's try this, I believe there is a singular force that generated the creation of the universe. Out of that singularity, I believe came many things, including (among other things) gods, fairies, angels, dragons, planets, turnips and humans and blah fucking blah fucking blah ...

I believe in the human spirit, I don't believe in heaven and hell. I do believe in reincarnation, but not the way Hindus do (a human will always be human). I don't believe most animals reincarnate, they have what is best termed a "collective soul."

I believe in gods, I've met gods, I respect them and screwing around with them can fuck with your life (I've just lived through that). But they don't "make" miracles. They can, however, influence the energies of your life, leave it there.

I believe community is actually about shared heart and spiritual practices, and those practices need to include the land we walk upon, and the other entities that share this world that we live on.

I believe in treading softly upon the land, conserving natural resources, and causing the least impact, not just spiritually, but literally, because when our spirits depart this place, our children and grandchildren will still be here. It's rude to leave them with a disgusting mess. We have a responsibility to our kids to leave them a decent home. We don't own this place, we're only renting it. The reality is, any given generation is only renting this planet from the generations yet to come.

 

[SPEKTOR-AAA]

We are all inferior beings, retards, and wack jobs. FML

 

[puddlemonkey]

Your new age bullshit is stupid. One of my best friends is into the same shit you are and he's fucked up.

by that logic~ your best friend is a retard, you must be one too.

 

[uamaverick]

That is such a loaded question ... The "problem" with Wicca is it isn't dogmatic, which means there isn't ONE single set of Rules, Doctrines, Beliefs.

Let's try this, I believe there is a singular force that generated the creation of the universe. Out of that singularity, I believe came many things, including (among other things) gods, fairies, angels, dragons, planets, turnips and humans and blah fucking blah fucking blah ...

I believe in the human spirit, I don't believe in heaven and hell. I do believe in reincarnation, but not the way Hindus do (a human will always be human). I don't believe most animals reincarnate, they have what is best termed a "collective soul."

I believe in gods, I've met gods, I respect them and screwing around with them can fuck with your life (I've just lived through that). But they don't "make" miracles. They can, however, influence the energies of your life, leave it there.

I believe community is actually about shared heart and spiritual practices, and those practices need to include the land we walk upon, and the other entities that share this world that we live on.

I believe in treading softly upon the land, conserving natural resources, and causing the least impact, not just spiritually, but literally, because when our spirits depart this place, our children and grandchildren will still be here. It's rude to leave them with a disgusting mess. We have a responsibility to our kids to leave them a decent home. We don't own this place, we're only renting it. The reality is, any given generation is only renting this planet from the generations yet to come.

You're obviously intelligent. It's evident that you are by reading your posts. It's a shame you waste your time on this, though. Time to put away the David Copperfield play kit and come back to the rest of us.

Although, maybe I'm just angry because I used to be Adolf Hitler. I was reincarnated and my job now is to post on steroid message boards.

 

[musclemom]

lol MM is the wack job, into witch craft and spells and Wicca stuff

lmao @ trying to explain that "fucking wack job" and "retard" were not meant in a harmful way at all. Those are some pretty harmful things to say, if you meant the other way like "one who was developmentally delayed or slow" or "mentally unbalanced without defining the parameters of such instability" then you would have said so.

The main reason Java says that is because he is selfish. If both people are unselfish in a relationship, it will work. Stop thinking about you and think what you can give into the relationship and for your gf/wife. When you have God in your life, you realize that you are not the most important thing in life. God is, and he wants you to honor your wife and not be selfish. God is a pretty smart dude

I'm the whack job, and yet you have the audacity to know the mind of God? Well done and bless your precociousness.

Honestly, I DO know significantly more about Java than you do, and I know there are several women on this board who will back me on my comments, 'nough said, leave it there, m'kay?

I may be a whack job, dear, but at least I managed to raise a son that knew enough to never stick his penis in a woman without wearing a rain coat, even when he was younger than you.

As for your perceptions of magic, trying thinking this way": Praying to some unseen/unknown bearded old man who lives in the sky for health or healing is faith. But if I call upon the God Herne or the Goddess Morrigan, that's crazy, right?

Tell me, dear, did you ever read the 10 commandments? Read #1. Then RE-read number one. I want you to think, long and hard, about the fact the commandment is "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." Think about it. Because when Yahweh is saying you will have NO gods before me, Yahweh is ALSO saying THERE are other gods.

And BTW, WTF is it with Christians following ancient Hebrew texts? I'll never get that. If you're a real Christian you should totally disregard the entire Old Testament, at least as religious teachings. I mean, c'mon, Gospel is all about Christian liturgy, and what, exactly, does that have to do with ancient Hebrew texts?

 

[javaguru]

I wasn't commenting on my level of evolution, in that post, but if you wanna play this game I've got about a half hour before I hit the sack, I'll briefly indulge you.

I could use $0.50 words to express my thoughts and feelings, but why? Retard is a perfectly acceptable word, look it up. My intention in using the word was to mean "one who was developmentally delayed or slow."

Fucking wack job, while not an aesthetically pleasing phrase, pretty well sums up a person who is mentally unbalanced without defining the parameters of such instability. I don't know Java well enough to define his mental instability, if such exists.

Lol @ conflating my e-persona into my real life personality.

Let me share something from real life. I pushed for the divorce from my ex because there was somebody out there better for her based on the desires she expressed to me. That being said, she described me as the kindest person she's ever known and on the way to our final court appearance for the dissolution she admitted that she didn't realize what she had.... I get that a lot from my ex's....Good luck finding an ex that has a bad word to say about me as a person or how I treated them.

Finally, I generally disregard the input of people that think they have jedi powers.

 

[musclemom]

You're obviously intelligent. It's evident that you are by reading your posts. It's a shame you waste your time on this, though. Time to put away the David Copperfield play kit and come back to the rest of us.

Although, maybe I'm just angry because I used to be Adolf Hitler. I was reincarnated and my job now is to post on steroid message boards.

Somebody used to be Hitler, but I doubt it was you. According to my personal beliefs (which aren't strictly Wiccan on the matters of reincarnation) Hitler shot back here the minute he bit the black capsule. He didn't get to assess his life, evaluate, and decide how to best balance the scales.

You consider me wasting my time. I consider the ONLY time I spend well is that spent with my husband and in ritual, that's it.

I'll tell you what, you read a short story by Hemingway, and you think on that story, and then we can pick this discussion back up, fair 'nough? The story is here: http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/11870/pg11870.html It's number XXXII, entitled "Country of the Blind."

 

[javaguru]

Somebody used to be Hitler, but I doubt it was you. According to my personal beliefs (which aren't strictly Wiccan on the matters of reincarnation) Hitler shot back here the minute he bit the black capsule. He didn't get to assess his life, evaluate, and decide how to best balance the scales.

You consider me wasting my time. I consider the ONLY time I spend well is that spent with my husband and in ritual, that's it.

I'll tell you what, you read a short story by Hemingway, and you think on that story, and then we can pick this discussion back up, fair 'nough? The story is here: http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/11870/pg11870.html It's number XXXII, entitled "Country of the Blind."

Faulkner > Hemingway...just sayin'.

 

[jiggagold]

I'm the whack job, and yet you have the audacity to know the mind of God? Well done and bless your precociousness.

Honestly, I DO know significantly more about Java than you do, and I know there are several women on this board who will back me on my comments, 'nough said, leave it there, m'kay?

I may be a whack job, dear, but at least I managed to raise a son that knew enough to never stick his penis in a woman without wearing a rain coat, even when he was younger than you.

As for your perceptions of magic, trying thinking this way": Praying to some unseen/unknown bearded old man who lives in the sky for health or healing is faith. But if I call upon the God Herne or the Goddess Morrigan, that's crazy, right?

Tell me, dear, did you ever read the 10 commandments? Read #1. Then RE-read number one. I want you to think, long and hard, about the fact the commandment is "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." Think about it. Because when Yahweh is saying you will have NO gods before me, Yahweh is ALSO saying THERE are other gods.

And BTW, WTF is it with Christians following ancient Hebrew texts? I'll never get that. If you're a real Christian you should totally disregard the entire Old Testament, at least as religious teachings. I mean, c'mon, Gospel is all about Christian liturgy, and what, exactly, does that have to do with ancient Hebrew texts?

You're taking that out of context. I don't know if you've read the bible but in a certain passage (cant remember) it explains other gods (besides the devil) as 'vices' not an actual greater being or equal force to god.

 

[OMEGA]

damn this thread is full of lala
lol

 

[musclemom]

Lol @ conflating my e-persona into my real life personality.

Let me share something from real life. I pushed for the divorce from my ex because there was somebody out there better for her based on the desires she expressed to me. That being said, she described me as the kindest person she's ever known and on the way to our final court appearance for the dissolution she admitted that she didn't realize what she had.... I get that a lot from my ex's....Good luck finding an ex that has a bad word to say about me as a person or how I treated them.

Finally, I generally disregard the input of people that think they have jedi powers.

I'm tired of your videos and they slow down my pathetic, old computer.

Frankly, I can't remember when I claimed Jedi powers. If I was capable of doing everything that had been attributed to me on these forums, in jest or sarcasm, I'd be a flying billionairess, seriously.

So, what IS the longest committed relationship you've ever had Java, since you were referencing ex'es. Inquiring minds want to know.

 

[OMEGA]

I agree with AF. the connection is the most important thing in a relationship. that's why relationships based solely on sex won't end up working out in the end.

B

Bro if there is not hot , sweaty , dirty sex ( the kind where you pull there hair an have them talk dirty) it will never work out.

you have to have a modicum of respectful connection when you hang out, but it does not have to be pals bffl kinda thing.
Its just has to be chill.

If you cant seal the deal with perverted sex none of you will be happy for long.

 

[musclemom]

You're taking that out of context. I don't know if you've read the bible but in a certain passage (cant remember) it explains other gods (besides the devil) as 'vices' not an actual greater being or equal force to god.

Yahweh is a Jewish tribal god, just like the Dagda was a tribal Celtic god, or Zeus was a tribal Greek god.

And really, I was quoting directly from the 10 commandments. There is no "taking it out of context." These are laws that stand on their own. You want to tell me "thou shalt no kill" can be contextually interpreted?

Yes, I've read the bible (and the Koran, and the Ghita). It's the main reason I'm not a christian.

 

[javaguru]

I'm tired of your videos and they slow down my pathetic, old computer.

Frankly, I can't remember when I claimed Jedi powers. If I was capable of doing everything that had been attributed to me on these forums, in jest or sarcasm, I'd be a flying billionairess, seriously.

So, what IS the longest committed relationship you've ever had Java, since you were referencing ex'es. Inquiring minds want to know.

Two years dating and 3.5 married with the same wiminz....my ex wife; I know you are going to conflate quality and quantity. Like I said, my ex-wife probably has a better handle on my personality than someone pulling a Dr. Phil on my e-persona...just sayin'.... You don't know shit about me or my personality...

 

[musclemom]

Bro if there is not hot , sweaty , dirty sex ( the kind where you pull there hair an have them talk dirty) it will never work out.

you have to have a modicum of respectful connection when you hang out, but it does not have to be pals bffl kinda thing.
Its just has to be chill.

If you cant seal the deal with perverted sex none of you will be happy for long.

I'm sorry, dear, but you've got it backwards. The friendship part is critical ... hot, sweaty, dirty talking hair pulling is something you can develop. However, if a mental connection isn't there to begin with, it will NEVER be there. So when sweaty hair pulling gets boring (and trust me, it will, there is NO relationship that can last based PURELY on physicality) you look at each other and go "WHAT?" And realize you've made a major life mistake.

Seriously, why do you think the divorce rate is over 50%? It's because young dumb fucks like you, male and female, think sexual chemistry = sound relationship foundation.

And I can say this because 28 years ago, I believed the same damned thing.

Good sex is just that. You can fuck someone and have a blast and not really like them. Successful relationships are built on the stuff that happens ABOVE the neck line.

 

[musclemom]

Two years dating and 3.5 married with the same wiminz....my ex wife; I know you are going to conflate quality and quantity. Like I said, my ex-wife probably has a better handle on my personality than someone pulling a Dr. Phil on my e-persona...just sayin'.... You don't know shit about me or my personality...

My first monogamous relationship lasted 1.5 years.

My first marriage lasted 10 years and didn't start getting rocky until the second half, when I realized he didn't understand the difference between childlike and childish.

I'm going on 17 years with marriage 2 and we're extremely happy.

So I want you to explain to me, in explicit detail, exactly what you know -- that I do not -- that goes into development and maintenance of a successful long term monogamous relationship.

17 > 3.5.

 

[SPEKTOR-AAA]

Big reason the divorce rate is over 50% because its more socially accepted. Its like going to buy a car nowdays. We just happen to be the generation in which social acceptance decided to parrellel. I guarentee earlier generations confronted the same issues, but nomatter what they felt divorce was never an option.

Lets couple that with the fact that most people no longer go to a "church" or have any organized religious beliefs plays a huge role. Can you argue that, you clearly are not a Christian and for most "average" Americans there are no alternative belief systems like your own. What I mean by that is either they are Christians or they basically dont know WTF they believe in. What you did unlike pretty much everyone else on this board is look deeper within yourself and your belief system and question it. You read more, became more informed and ultimately embraced what you believe in today. Kudos to you, I respect that. With that said.....

Guddamn why do you waste your intelligence and wit on a site like this. You obviously far beyond the constraints that we (dumfucks, retards, wack jobs) are confined by *rolls eyes*. Your mental judgement is typically spot on with your rationale, you win okay. Your arguments are clearly right as far as your concerned and honestly what could we say about ANYTHING that even remotely makes you question the way you analyze things.

I just dont understand why you waste your time, enlighten us?

 

[the.gladiator1987]

I'm the whack job, and yet you have the audacity to know the mind of God? Well done and bless your precociousness.

Honestly, I DO know significantly more about Java than you do, and I know there are several women on this board who will back me on my comments, 'nough said, leave it there, m'kay?

I may be a whack job, dear, but at least I managed to raise a son that knew enough to never stick his penis in a woman without wearing a rain coat, even when he was younger than you.

As for your perceptions of magic, trying thinking this way": Praying to some unseen/unknown bearded old man who lives in the sky for health or healing is faith. But if I call upon the God Herne or the Goddess Morrigan, that's crazy, right?

Tell me, dear, did you ever read the 10 commandments? Read #1. Then RE-read number one. I want you to think, long and hard, about the fact the commandment is "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." Think about it. Because when Yahweh is saying you will have NO gods before me, Yahweh is ALSO saying THERE are other gods.

And BTW, WTF is it with Christians following ancient Hebrew texts? I'll never get that. If you're a real Christian you should totally disregard the entire Old Testament, at least as religious teachings. I mean, c'mon, Gospel is all about Christian liturgy, and what, exactly, does that have to do with ancient Hebrew texts?

How do I follow the old testament in any way?

Commandment #1 is saying you should have no other Gods, meaning don't have anything in your life that would BE a God. As in money, power, etc. Or you are right, don't believe in another supreme being and make him your "god"

And this kid if he is mine will be a blessing to me, whether I want to think it is good for me or not, it is all part of my plan and I am fully responsible for him. I already love him he is so cute

 

[mrplunkey]

I'm sorry, dear, but you've got it backwards. The friendship part is critical ... hot, sweaty, dirty talking hair pulling is something you can develop. However, if a mental connection isn't there to begin with, it will NEVER be there. So when sweaty hair pulling gets boring (and trust me, it will, there is NO relationship that can last based PURELY on physicality) you look at each other and go "WHAT?" And realize you've made a major life mistake.

If the chick is pushing two bills with a busted grill, she prolly shouldn't rely too heavily on developing "hot, sweaty" anything except the spaces between her folds.

Seriously, why do you think the divorce rate is over 50%? It's because young dumb fucks like you, male and female, think sexual chemistry = sound relationship foundation.

There's more of that "evolved" language!

And I can say this because 28 years ago, I believed the same damned thing.

Good sex is just that. You can fuck someone and have a blast and not really like them. Successful relationships are built on the stuff that happens ABOVE the neck line.

I agree with this part. Refusing to give oral is definitely a red flag.

 

[mrplunkey]

I may be a whack job, dear, but at least I managed to raise a son that knew enough to never stick his penis in a woman without wearing a rain coat, even when he was younger than you.

Whereas my mom wasted all her time teaching me math and science.




But come to think of it, I kinda figured the sex part out on my own.

 

[BlueBird]

Your new age bullshit is stupid. One of my best friends is into the same shit you are and he's fucked up.

Wiccan originates from Shamanism, which is most likely the oldest form of organized religion. To call Wiccan, New Age is akin to calling Christianity the New Age derivation of Judiasm. Just sayin.

 

[AFeedz]

Guys, MM isn't going to turn away from her belief system because you all don't agree with it. And the Christians around here aren't going to turn from theirs because MM and whoever else doesn't agree with theirs. There's no point in arguing it. People put so much passion into their choice of belief system or choice against having one at all that you're never going to change their mind no matter how logical, factual or great your argument is. There's no point. MM's beliefs are harming nobody and neither are Glad's and neither are others' lack thereof.

 

[AFeedz]

Bro if there is not hot , sweaty , dirty sex ( the kind where you pull there hair an have them talk dirty) it will never work out.

you have to have a modicum of respectful connection when you hang out, but it does not have to be pals bffl kinda thing.
Its just has to be chill.

If you cant seal the deal with perverted sex none of you will be happy for long.

Agreed that one needs to be sexually satisfied to be and continue to be happy in a relationship, but if there's no deeper mental/emotional connection then the sex becomes just sex, that which a man or woman could get from any freak on the street. The sex you can't just get from anybody is the kind you have with someone you're more deeply connected to than just via your sexual organs.

To keep the sex the type of sex that you can't go leave the relationship and get from someone else, it kind of does need to be a bffl kind of connection and trust. Otherwise, what's to stop either party from getting the same sex from someone else?

That being said, both parties to def need to keep the sex hot to make the relationship last, it's just not the only thing that matters, IMO.

 

[the.gladiator1987]

I always had hot sex with my ex, and she still cheated on me

 

[AFeedz]

Yeah and she was having hot sex with someone else probably from the beginning, so you guys probably never even formed the connection I'm talking about.

 

[the.gladiator1987]

Yeah and she was having hot sex with someone else probably from the beginning, so you guys probably never even formed the connection I'm talking about.

eh. Makes me sick to even talk about it. Im gonna go throw up brb

 

[musclemom]

Guddamn why do you waste your intelligence and wit on a site like this. You obviously far beyond the constraints that we (dumfucks, retards, wack jobs) are confined by *rolls eyes*. Your mental judgement is typically spot on with your rationale, you win okay. Your arguments are clearly right as far as your concerned and honestly what could we say about ANYTHING that even remotely makes you question the way you analyze things.

I just dont understand why you waste your time, enlighten us?

Because every so often I actually enjoy a good argument, my husband, however, does not. Additionally, this forum allows the use of vulgarity and some direct insults, which virtually none do anymore, this is particularly the case with a lot of the "headier" forums.

And, incidentally, if someone makes a valid point that contradicts me, while I may (or may not) acknowledge it here, I will think about about it and take it into consideration in my day to day life. I've actually learned a lot about people hanging out in this forum.

 

[mrplunkey]

I'm still trying to figure-out where words like "retard", "fucking wack job" and "young dumb fucks" fit into the vernacular of the enlightened.

 

[jiggagold]

Because every so often I actually enjoy a good argument, my husband, however, does not. Additionally, this forum allows the use of vulgarity and some direct insults, which virtually none do anymore, this is particularly the case with a lot of the "headier" forums.

And, incidentally, if someone makes a valid point that contradicts me, while I may (or may not) acknowledge it here, I will think about about it and take it into consideration in my day to day life. I've actually learned a lot about people hanging out in this forum.

I'm curious to see your make up.

 

[musclemom]

I'm curious to see your make up.

I'm afraid I don't understand you.

 

[OMEGA]

Agreed that one needs to be sexually satisfied to be and continue to be happy in a relationship, but if there's no deeper mental/emotional connection then the sex becomes just sex, that which a man or woman could get from any freak on the street. The sex you can't just get from anybody is the kind you have with someone you're more deeply connected to than just via your sexual organs.

To keep the sex the type of sex that you can't go leave the relationship and get from someone else, it kind of does need to be a bffl kind of connection and trust. Otherwise, what's to stop either party from getting the same sex from someone else?

That being said, both parties to def need to keep the sex hot to make the relationship last, it's just not the only thing that matters, IMO.

excellent thanku, I will agree

 

[SPEKTOR-AAA]

Because every so often I actually enjoy a good argument, my husband, however, does not. Additionally, this forum allows the use of vulgarity and some direct insults, which virtually none do anymore, this is particularly the case with a lot of the "headier" forums.

And, incidentally, if someone makes a valid point that contradicts me, while I may (or may not) acknowledge it here, I will think about about it and take it into consideration in my day to day life. I've actually learned a lot about people hanging out in this forum.

Fair enough.

 

[mrplunkey]

I'm curious to see your make up.

I cannot help but think I am on the cusp of learning a new "evolved" word or phrase.

 

[SPEKTOR-AAA]

I cannot help but think I am on the cusp of learning a new "evolved" word or phrase.

fucking wack job ;-)

 

[mrplunkey]

fucking wack job ;-)

You and I can say stuff like that 'cause we're not as evolved.

Now go bugger yourself, you frigging wanker!

 

[SPEKTOR-AAA]

hardy har har.....guddamn rednecks

 

[jiggagold]

What you look like.