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Alright guys I'm new to this forum, long time reader.. thought I would make my first log (it will be completed) wont bore you with details, this is my 3rd cycle, 1st time using tren, im on day 11 not really noticed any sides, slightly breathless at times, no sweats or cough.. not noticed any extra strength or vascularity yet, changed today from *** tren ace to *** tren ace, got a hot flush when pinning, heart pounding just took a few deep breaths and carried on, blood pressure has been up and down, highest 143/84 lowest 132/63 any suggestions? Heres how the cycle looks

1-8 50mg tren ace ed
1-10 600mg test 400 ew

Prami
Letro

Pct
Hcg
Clomid

Supps
Celery seed extract
Q10
Cod liver oil
Multi vitamins

Thoughts/critique welcome :)

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Welcome, glad to have you officially on board...

What's you age and specs? How long training? What were your 1st 2 cycles?

I think you need more PCT...

~EZ
 
I'd drop test to 500 and up tren to 75.

Don't use letro as an AI. It's very powerful stuff, use aromasin 12.5mg instead.
 
bp is high cause you are running too much gear. not really complicated. halve your dosages on both the tren and test

i don't know why guys insist on overdosing on gear and getting ridiculous sides which end up hurting their workouts and sleep.. makes no sense to me.
 
Thanks for the input guys,

Age 24
Weight 86kg
Height 5'9
Body fat 12%

My goal is to put on some decent mass with this cycle and keep body fat the same (maybe add 2 extra weeks to the cycle for short cut to drop a few lbs of fat if needed)

You think I should halve test and up tren? I was under the impression if test was that low you wouldn't get so much mass?

Letro was all my supplier had so just been running 0.25 e3d will switch to arimidex when he gets it in

First 2 cycles was test e with dbol kick start, been training for 10 years but only really started training propperly 3 years ago in regards to workout plans and diet.

Do you think I should have noticed something from the tren by now besides what iv listed? I was expecting sweats etc by now but everyones different I guess



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no halve both your test and tren.

you are confusing mass with water weight ... it is a myth that tren isn't a mass gainer. it is the king of kings when it comes to mass and strength. people think its not a mass gainer cause you don't bloat up like a fish like you would of test and dbol.

THEN when you get your sides under control you can start raising your tren dose if you choose but i don't think its necessary to run tren over 200 or 250 a week.
 
Ok thanks for the advice, like I say there isnt really any sides at the min that I would confidently pin on the tren, to be honest im starting to question the quality of the gear, I dont think id like to run either at less than 350 each per week but will consider it if I start to see that its working as it should. Will give it one more week at this dose and if all is good ill drop to 250 a week as you advised

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Hey...finally a new guy with an open mind
 
EZ_E said:
Hey...finally a new guy with an open mind
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Im here to learn :D
Whats your thoughts on on the tren by the way? Do you think I should have noticed something by now? Dont want to run it too long incase its bunk, id rather try and source some more

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Forgot to mention, appetite is through the roof lately, id heard tren can suppress it but dam im hungry!!! Iv got to be careful not to over eat!!

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Deebo88 said:
Im here to learn :D
Whats your thoughts on on the tren by the way? Do you think I should have noticed something by now? Dont want to run it too long incase its bunk, id rather try and source some more

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I wouldn't over think it...with tren ace I never got night sweats and the cough only comes when you pin "too fast"

I usually get a little insomnia with tren ace but it's bearable...

~EZ
 
EZ_E said:
I wouldn't over think it...with tren ace I never got night sweats and the cough only comes when you pin "too fast"

I usually get a little insomnia with tren ace but it's bearable...

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Got ya, ill try ride it out for a bit.. you read all these horror stories on here about tren sides so id built my self up ready for them and then bam!! Nothing.., just got me suspicious

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Deebo88 said:
Forgot to mention, appetite is through the roof lately, id heard tren can suppress it but dam im hungry!!! Iv got to be careful not to over eat!!

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since tren nutrition partitions eat away. but eat clean.

also your sides will come on once you get deep into the cycle. read the threads i have put up as to why you get tren sides. thats your homework for the day
 
stevesmi said:
since tren nutrition partitions eat away. but eat clean.

also your sides will come on once you get deep into the cycle. read the threads i have put up as to why you get tren sides. thats your homework for the day
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Haha I like your style, ill report back once iv done my reading :)

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Hard as Iv tried, I cant find these threads your talking about. What is the thread title?

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If you click his name somehow you can search "threads started by stevesmi"
 
Yeah I tried that but couldn't find it, maybe steve would be kind enough to post us a link?? You've got me interested

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Day 13

Felt a little stronger in the gym today, not a lot but it was noticeable, weight hasnt shifted the last few days, dont know if its in my head but I think my abs are looking more defined. Looking forward to next weeks gym sessions, hunger is slowly getting the better of me but not going to go crazy on kcals until iv had atleast another week to see how im getting on with tren, hopefully I'll have something a bit more exciting to bang on about in next weeks posts

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Tren sweats?? More like tren tren shivers!! Noticed Im feeling cold really often has anybody else had this?

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Deebo88 said:
Tren sweats?? More like tren tren shivers!! Noticed Im feeling cold really often has anybody else had this?

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What happens is you sweat your ass off when you sleep and then when you wake up that moisture makes you cold. That's why I always shower as soon as I wake up before breakfast. It sucks trying to eat when your shivering. I do sweat a lot worse during the day. Especially when I lift, I leave the gym looking like I just hopped out the shower.
 
joeblow12345 said:
What happens is you sweat your ass off when you sleep and then when you wake up that moisture makes you cold. That's why I always shower as soon as I wake up before breakfast. It sucks trying to eat when your shivering. I do sweat a lot worse during the day. Especially when I lift, I leave the gym looking like I just hopped out the shower.
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But I havent been sweating at all, my sleep pattern is disturbed a bit by the tren I wake up every night now, but feeling cold is just happening throughout the day

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Week 2 day 3
Still no sides or results from the tren, patience is wearing thin with this stuff, been running 60mg ed for the last 5 days and still nothing, think its time to go get some new stuff

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Deebo88 said:
Week 2 day 3
Still no sides or results from the tren, patience is wearing thin with this stuff, been running 60mg ed for the last 5 days and still nothing, think its time to go get some new stuff

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No change in strength, muscle,libido or vascularity.
 
Nope, not noticed anything out of the ordinery theres been a few small things iv listed but im not 100% sure its not just placebo effect or testosterone related... certainly no great strength gains or vascularity, not noticed increased pumps or the hard muscles everyone seems to get with tren, I also hit a blood vessel the other day with test and tren in the same pin and no cough

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Deebo88 said:
Nope, not noticed anything out of the ordinery theres been a few small things iv listed but im not 100% sure its not just placebo effect or testosterone related... certainly no great strength gains or vascularity, not noticed increased pumps or the hard muscles everyone seems to get with tren, I also hit a blood vessel the other day with test and tren in the same pin and no cough

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I'd give it a couple weeks but young have some bunk tren bro. The pumps and vascularity should be coming on by now.
 
joeblow12345 said:
I'd give it a couple weeks but young have some bunk tren bro. The pumps and vascularity should be coming on by now.
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I know bro, ordered some new gear today its made by bionic pharma, source has promised next day delivery so hopefully ill be on some real tren by tomorrow

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Deebo88 said:
I know bro, ordered some new gear today its made by bionic pharma, source has promised next day delivery so hopefully ill be on some real tren by tomorrow

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Like I said I get sides day one so you should notice something relatively quickly.
 
Ok, today is day 1 with bionic pharma's tren ace, shot it with test again mixed 50/50 slight blood after injection but no cough thankfully, tomorrow will be tren only so ill see how that go's.. up to now very slight pip as to be expected but won't really know how it is until tomorrow, shoulder session tonight! Yeah Buddy!!! Up 10lbs since starting this cycle abs and are slowly disappearing, probably a mixture of water and fat causing that but im not worried, it goes against the grain but this cycle will be a lean bulk and a cut, I simply dont have enough time before my holidays to do both independently, any improvements between now and my holiday are a bonus



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Day 3 on bp tren

Had very minor sweats the past 2 nights im waking up 2-3 times a night but other than that still nothing, switched tren to eod as pip was getting annoying, also dropped test to 250 while tren is at 420, seemed a little stronger at the gym yesterday, I had an extra 10kg on my bench press and almost completed 3rd set

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Deebo88 said:
Day 3 on bp tren

Had very minor sweats the past 2 nights im waking up 2-3 times a night but other than that still nothing, switched tren to eod as pip was getting annoying, also dropped test to 250 while tren is at 420, seemed a little stronger at the gym yesterday, I had an extra 10kg on my bench press and almost completed 3rd set

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Yep that's what it should do. I change my shirt twice a night from sweats. Just make sure your taking n2guard to keep that bp in check. And adding 10 kg on bench is pretty significant.
 
joeblow12345 said:
Yep that's what it should do. I change my shirt twice a night from sweats. Just make sure your taking n2guard to keep that bp in check. And adding 10 kg on bench is pretty significant.
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What do you rhink to competitive edge labs cycle support? Seems to have the same ingredients in there for a better price?

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Its good but I prefer n2guard.. controls my bp better

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meathead96 said:
Tren is the best. Running a good dose of ace right now myself about 7wks in on it.
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Sweet, tomorrow is the start of week 3 for me but I had a suspicion the stuff I used the first 2 weeks was bunk, woke up a little sweaty the last 2 nights, quite lethargic thres the day, but yet im fine when I hit the gym lol, when did you notice the physical changes take place?

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bonacris said:
Its good but I prefer n2guard.. controls my bp better

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Thanks for the opinion bro, im torn between, I dont want to spend a fortune on the stuff simply because iv already paid for this cycle twice (I decided I didnt trust the original stuff I bought) but im a firm believer in not skimping when it comes to my health, decisions decisions

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Deebo88 said:
Thanks for the opinion bro, im torn between, I dont want to spend a fortune on the stuff simply because iv already paid for this cycle twice (I decided I didnt trust the original stuff I bought) but im a firm believer in not skimping when it comes to my health, decisions decisions

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I get what your saying man.. well use one of the codes floating around and get 2 bottles of n2guard..

I have used cycle assist, cycle support and AI life support and n2guard was the only one to really control my bp

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bonacris said:
I get what your saying man.. well use one of the codes floating around and get 2 bottles of n2guard..

I have used cycle assist, cycle support and AI life support and n2guard was the only one to really control my bp

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Thanks, Ill have a scout see if I can find a code

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Deebo88 said:
What do you rhink to competitive edge labs cycle support? Seems to have the same ingredients in there for a better price?

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I've never used any cycle support that was as effective as n2guard. It's a staple for me and once I find something that works I stick with it.
 
Deebo88 said:
Sweet, tomorrow is the start of week 3 for me but I had a suspicion the stuff I used the first 2 weeks was bunk, woke up a little sweaty the last 2 nights, quite lethargic thres the day, but yet im fine when I hit the gym lol, when did you notice the physical changes take place?

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For me the major physical changes I generally notice about 6wks in. Strength increase and sides come much sooner. Everyone is different though.
 
Nice, looking forward to the results, would love to have brewed my own tren but nothing available here at the min, ill be keeping a close eye on stock and making my own for the next run, know exacty what im getting that way

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Deebo88 said:
Nice, looking forward to the results, would love to have brewed my own tren but nothing available here at the min, ill be keeping a close eye on stock and making my own for the next run, know exacty what im getting that way

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Yeah this is the way to go. You will def enjoy this cycle man. Good luck to you.
 
Well its 12:45 am here and I cant sleep for the life of me! Im freezing cold!! Its 20 degrees my missus is half hanging out of the quilt and iv got the hairdryer blowing ubderneath to try warm me up, I seem to be the opposite to everyone else, I dont sweat I just freeze up!

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Deebo88 said:
Well its 12:45 am here and I cant sleep for the life of me! Im freezing cold!! Its 20 degrees my missus is half hanging out of the quilt and iv got the hairdryer blowing ubderneath to try warm me up, I seem to be the opposite to everyone else, I dont sweat I just freeze up!

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lol that might change for you bro, give it time. I had a lot of night sweats my first few weeks but then they stopped. I do sweat like a bitch working out and outside but not at night. Maybe cause I keep it cold as shit in my apartment haha
 
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Well its 12:45 am here and I cant sleep for the life of me! Im freezing cold!! Its 20 degrees my missus is half hanging out of the quilt and iv got the hairdryer blowing ubderneath to try warm me up, I seem to be the opposite to everyone else, I dont sweat I just freeze up!

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Hell I'd be freezing in 20 degrees as well. It's damn near 90 degrees where I live and I'm sweating my ass off. I sleep with the air on 60 degrees and have a fan pointing at me. I still wake up and change my shirt a few times a night. I am cold in the morning when I wake up. I have to run outside and warm up. So your temp does fluctuate on both sides of the spectrum. But you should be having some of those hot flashes. You'd be the first person I've ever heard that didn't have a rise in body temp from tren.
 
20 degree Celsius = 68 degrees farenheit, thats warm for us lol and about an hour after I wrote that last post the cold started turning in to hot flash's that lasted about 15 seconds then id be cold again, strange experience. . I hope this isn't going to become a regular thing

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Deebo88 said:
20 degree Celsius = 68 degrees farenheit, thats warm for us lol and about an hour after I wrote that last post the cold started turning in to hot flash's that lasted about 15 seconds then id be cold again, strange experience. . I hope this isn't going to become a regular thing

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Unfortunately that's the case with tren. Hot and cold at random times. The hot flashes do serve a purpose though. Tren literally burns fat off your body while adding muscle.
 
Yeah I dont suppose I can complain really... the sacrifice is worth the gains, lets see what tonight brings

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Anybody recommend a good natural test booster to use throughout pct? iv got a few in mind of course but just wanted some opinions, thanks in advance

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Deebo88 said:
Anybody recommend a good natural test booster to use throughout pct? iv got a few in mind of course but just wanted some opinions, thanks in advance

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Post cycle and unleashed are good combos. Phytoserm, formastanzol, formeron. To name a few.
 
^^^Those are all good...also HCGenerate ES and Forged Methyl EAA. Test infusion is good and bridge is great to run during off time from AAS.
 
Thanks guys, some good choices there for sure,

@ bigjuice
What is the reason for switching to the prop? Looking for more stable blood levels?

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My workout routine,
Critique/suggestions?

I hit all movements with 1 light warm up then 2 sets of 10 my 3rd set I can never get past 6-8 reps as I use a weight that I know will result in failure by this point

Abs get thrown in 3 times a week

Monday: chest

Incline dumbell press
Flat db press
Decline barbell press
Pec dec
Wide grip dips

Tuesday: back

Bent over db row
Seated row
Pull ups
Lat pull down

Wednesday: bi's tri's

Db curls
Db hammer
Babrell preacher curls
Hammers

Tri kickback
Rope pull down
Skull crushers
Dips

Thursday: shoulders

Lat raise
Front raise
Miltary press
Reverse fly's
Shrugs

Friday: legs and lower back

Squats
Leg extension
Leg curl
Calf raise's

Deadlifts

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Svenman19 said:
I would pair up shoulders with yohr chest day.. and take another day off

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Thanks for the input, couldn't imagine getting a good shoulder workout after training chest, I dont like back an bi's for the same reason.. I dont feel I get a good bi workout after doing back

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Update

I feel the new tren is much better than the original stuff, wouldn't say the first lot was fake just maybe underdosed. .. insonia is kicking in nicely!! I dont have no problem getting to sleep when I first go to bed, I just wake up for 20 mins every hour afterwards. looking a bit leaner, Bit more vascular and had a few compliments from people saying im looking bigger, looking forward to getting a bit deeper in to this cycle

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Deebo88 said:
Update

I feel the new tren is much better than the original stuff, wouldn't say the first lot was fake just maybe underdosed. .. insonia is kicking in nicely!! I dont have no problem getting to sleep when I first go to bed, I just wake up for 20 mins every hour afterwards. looking a bit leaner, Bit more vascular and had a few compliments from people saying im looking bigger, looking forward to getting a bit deeper in to this cycle

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Ya that sounds about right. It didn't make much sense that you were one of the only people to ever run tren and not have your sleep messed with or have any noticeable physical changes.
 
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Thanks for the input, couldn't imagine getting a good shoulder workout after training chest, I dont like back an bi's for the same reason.. I dont feel I get a good bi workout after doing back

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IMHO back and bis on the same day is just awful. Other than legs its your biggest bodypart. If you do deads, two variations of a pull down, 1 or two rowing movements, then maybe end with straight arm press downs.... Holy shit....then do bis after that? Its nuts IMHO.

Chest and shoulders just depends on what you do for shoulders. Remember obviously incline (especially incline BB) nails your shoulders quite a lot. If your like me and cant do much OHP then you just do lots of variations of raises.

Or, go flat bench, incline bench right into military since military does hit some chest. Superset in between military with some flys...there are many ways to make it creative and work. Just be sure to take enough time off to grow.
 
Deebo88 said:
Update

I feel the new tren is much better than the original stuff, wouldn't say the first lot was fake just maybe underdosed. .. insonia is kicking in nicely!! I dont have no problem getting to sleep when I first go to bed, I just wake up for 20 mins every hour afterwards. looking a bit leaner, Bit more vascular and had a few compliments from people saying im looking bigger, looking forward to getting a bit deeper in to this cycle

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150mg of trazadone knocks me out pretty decently on tren but I still wake up a few times at night. I also feel like I need less sleep to feel fully rested.
 
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150mg of trazadone knocks me out pretty decently on tren but I still wake up a few times at night. I also feel like I need less sleep to feel fully rested.
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I might just try that, what I wouldnt give for a full nights kip! ! Lol I find myself having naps on my dinner at work and then another as soon as I get home, Its not forever tho and its for a good cause (well thats what I keep telling myself)

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IMHO back and bis on the same day is just awful. Other than legs its your biggest bodypart. If you do deads, two variations of a pull down, 1 or two rowing movements, then maybe end with straight arm press downs.... Holy shit....then do bis after that? Its nuts IMHO.

Chest and shoulders just depends on what you do for shoulders. Remember obviously incline (especially incline BB) nails your shoulders quite a lot. If your like me and cant do much OHP then you just do lots of variations of raises.

Or, go flat bench, incline bench right into military since military does hit some chest. Superset in between military with some flys...there are many ways to make it creative and work. Just be sure to take enough time off to grow.
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Yeah im considoring going back to a 4 day split but just havent decided how to work it yet, I feel with the 5 day split I get a much better workout and dont have to spend ages in the gym. And your right back and bi's are awful!!! Bi's are exhausted after a good back session

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Deebo88 said:
I might just try that, what I wouldnt give for a full nights kip! ! Lol I find myself having naps on my dinner at work and then another as soon as I get home, Its not forever tho and its for a good cause (well thats what I keep telling myself)

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I have a prescription for it for insomnia. Its 100mg but some nights on tren I take 150mg. Its fairly mild as sleep meds go and non addictive.
 
Might pop and see the doc first then, upped my prami dose last night because my right nipple is starting to look puffy, I feel like shit today! Feel sick, got no appetite and cant be arsed to do a thing

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Hey deebo

Just wanted to comment on the sides you're getting...

I was like you when I first did Tren. I'd sweat like a racehorse at night but during the day, in the early evening I'd often get cold shivers like you get before you have a fever: a chill, some people call it.
Anyway, after about 4 weeks the sides started to wear off, even to the point of upping my dose, which was relatively low.

Weeks 1-4
Tren Ace @ 50mg every 3 days (150mg/week): night sweats, chills, weird dreams, high sex drive.
Weeks 5-6
Tren Ace @ 75mg every three days (225mg/week) no night sweats, no chills, no vivid dreams, lower sex drive.

Sleep
Problems with insomnia on the night following an injection, but okay the next night.

If I have trouble sleeping, or anticipate a bad night, I'll take OTC sleep supplements like Diphenhydramine Hydrochloride (DH) 1 x 50mg (20 minutes before sleep). In the UK it is marketed under the name of Nightol. Or you can buy the generic forms called Sleep Aid, by Vantage Pharmacy. Just one caveat with DH...Do not take too many because it almost always leads to a counter-effect. I've had awful, night long bouts of restless leg syndrome, and that's ten times worse than general insomnia.

Not sure what the low-down is in the USA for melatonin, but that's a mild hormone that's very common and popular for insomniacs and people who do a great deal of flying, and travel over a lot of different time-zones.
Malatonin increases the natural level of the hormone synthetically, and helps establish restful sleep and normal circadian rhythms. Most doctors will prescribe it if asked for and accompanied by a valid reason, and it's also a very safe product (very low risk of overdose, and no liver toxicity).

Your Tren
Because you got symptoms, albeit mild ones, with your original Trenbalone, I think it probably was underdosed or substituted with Ephedra or Clenbuterol or something. Not sure what the financial gain of swapping with Clen. would be, but in any case, your BP would have given a good indication of the possibility.

How long have you run this latest one for and what's the progress like? i.e. Weight, strength, vascularity.

Hope all is well!

Craig
 
Hey labtec

Thanks for the input, some useful info there, all is going well besides these last few days iv felt like shit, cant eat anything or sleep properly, not sure if its the prami or iv caught a bug, going to leave out the prami tomorrow and see how I get on for the day, if it comes back when I start with prami again I know the problem. Checked my bp today and it was 148/96 way too high for my liking, have been sick all day tho so hooefully its partially down to that, seem to be feeling a lot better now, if its not gone down tomorrow ill be off to the docs for bp meds, already skipped todays tren jab because of this, health Is much more important than gains

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Blood pressure has fluctuated this morning between 121/82 an 136/89 woke up feeling a lot better than I have the last 2 days, will take prami again tomorrow and see if symptoms return, hopefully it was just a virus and I can continue with prami

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Anybody think its worth running 75mg anavar for last 5 weeks of this cycle? always wanted to try var but never got round to it... my goals are to lean bulk and then cut for the last 4 weeks, I know its not ideal and given the chance I wouldnt do it but... I have a holiday at the end of this cycle so I want to look my best for it, 4 weeks isnt enough time to cut but im already fairly lean, abs are on show etc so its more of a finishing touch before I hit the beach

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Deebo88 said:
Anybody think its worth running 75mg anavar for last 5 weeks of this cycle? always wanted to try var but never got round to it... my goals are to lean bulk and then cut for the last 4 weeks, I know its not ideal and given the chance I wouldnt do it but... I have a holiday at the end of this cycle so I want to look my best for it, 4 weeks isnt enough time to cut but im already fairly lean, abs are on show etc so its more of a finishing touch before I hit the beach

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It be better if you run the var 8 weeks. Just make sure you run the n2guard the whole time.
 
You think 8 weeks at 50mg would be better than 5 weeks at 75mg? I have no previous experience with var so im all ears

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Last few days has been a bit weird. . Everytime I fall asleep I keep waking myself up with really sudden movements, I was having a dream about lifting weight and woke up bench pressing thin air, my dreams are crazy, shortness of breath is starting to irritate me.. feels like I always have to take a deep breath to feel satisfied, got a bit of blood come out after injecting delt today, I got a spicy sensation in the back of my mouth and throat like id swallowed a bit of chilli powder, no cough tho

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Deebo88 said:
Last few days has been a bit weird. . Everytime I fall asleep I keep waking myself up with really sudden movements, I was having a dream about lifting weight and woke up bench pressing thin air, my dreams are crazy, shortness of breath is starting to irritate me.. feels like I always have to take a deep breath to feel satisfied, got a bit of blood come out after injecting delt today, I got a spicy sensation in the back of my mouth and throat like id swallowed a bit of chilli powder, no cough tho

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Welcome to the wonderful world of tren lol. Trust me the results are worth every bit of hassle.
 
joeblow12345 said:
Welcome to the wonderful world of tren lol. Trust me the results are worth every bit of hassle.
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Lol its one crazy aas! I hope your right with the results... people tell me im looking bigger etc but I dont see it myself, only been running the good tren for 2 weeks tho and iv heard a lot of people say that week 4 is when you really start to notice a difference

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Deebo88 said:
Lol its one crazy aas! I hope your right with the results... people tell me im looking bigger etc but I dont see it myself, only been running the good tren for 2 weeks tho and iv heard a lot of people say that week 4 is when you really start to notice a difference

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Ya the real results kick in after a few weeks and it just keeps getting better week after week until you hit the point where you gotta increase dose or just stop and recover. Ace is usually around the 8-10 week mark and e around 12-14 weeks.
 
joeblow12345 said:
Ya the real results kick in after a few weeks and it just keeps getting better week after week until you hit the point where you gotta increase dose or just stop and recover. Ace is usually around the 8-10 week mark and e around 12-14 weeks.
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Nice!! I read a post somewhere about the taste of trenbolone ace when you place it directly on your tounge, the guy was saying legit tren should be spicy so I put this to the test... both the original tren I was using is not spicy at all.. and the new stuff burns your throat pretty badly, I know this is no scientific way of proving its real or fake trenbolone but I do think it could give you a rough idea of whats in the vial, im now 100% sure the original stuff was bunk or VERY underdosed

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Deebo88 said:
Nice!! I read a post somewhere about the taste of trenbolone ace when you place it directly on your tounge, the guy was saying legit tren should be spicy so I put this to the test... both the original tren I was using is not spicy at all.. and the new stuff burns your throat pretty badly, I know this is no scientific way of proving its real or fake trenbolone but I do think it could give you a rough idea of whats in the vial, im now 100% sure the original stuff was bunk or VERY underdosed

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I don't not about that tasting method but real tren hits hard and fast. I get sides from day one and the benefits surface very quickly and just keep getting better.
 
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I don't not about that tasting method but real tren hits hard and fast. I get sides from day one and the benefits surface very quickly and just keep getting better.
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I had my first proper run with the tren sweats today at the gym, I was leaking from everywhere. . Looked like I had baby oil on lol had my vest on for the first time in a week or so an couldnt believe the definition and vascularity compared to a few weeks back

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Update

Cycle is going well, feeling and looking stronger. Diet has been shit this week! Iv got all my nutrients in but then had a few too many treats! Doesnt help that I got malteasers for fathers day... anyway strict again from tomorrow onwards, we all stray a bit every now and again. Only down side to this cycle is my gyno has flared up!! Started letro ( but suspect its not much good so ordered some more) and upped prami to 1mg ed, if this gets no better over the next week im going to have to abort cycle!! Ill be pissed if it comes to that, would maybe swap over to anavar for the remainder of the cycle if I cant manage the gyno

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Deebo88 said:
Update

Cycle is going well, feeling and looking stronger. Diet has been shit this week! Iv got all my nutrients in but then had a few too many treats! Doesnt help that I got malteasers for fathers day... anyway strict again from tomorrow onwards, we all stray a bit every now and again. Only down side to this cycle is my gyno has flared up!! Started letro ( but suspect its not much good so ordered some more) and upped prami to 1mg ed, if this gets no better over the next week im going to have to abort cycle!! Ill be pissed if it comes to that, would maybe swap over to anavar for the remainder of the cycle if I cant manage the gyno

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Bro drop test dose to just above hrt level. 250-300 mg is perfect and you won't need any prami or letro. Your regular ai dose will be fine.
 
I dropped the test 3 weeks back now bro, im only running 250 a week, after upping my prami to 1mg the tissue feels like its breaking up a bit, got softer and slightly smaller. I think I might be sensitive to prolactin/progestin but tike will tell, im not really worries at the min as im sure I will cure it before it becomes a permanent problem, iv always had a small lump the size of maybe a pellet that was from puberty, it wasn't noticeable at all so didnt really bother me until I started cycling. Its not the first time its flared up and wont be the last probably, im just one of the unlucky ones lol

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I suggest dropping the test to 100mg per week. 250 is still well above a normal trt dose. I only run 100mg of test with tren and it def makes a difference. A little mast with it helps too.
 
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I suggest dropping the test to 100mg per week. 250 is still well above a normal trt dose. I only run 100mg of test with tren and it def makes a difference. A little mast with it helps too.
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Ya this may be the way to go if your sensitive to estrogen and prolactin sides.
 
Thanks guys, the weird thing is its only in one nipple, the other is absolutely fine (touch wood) just cant seem to make it shrink, really starting to piss me off now.. feel paranoid walking round with a t-shirt on

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Deebo88 said:
Thanks guys, the weird thing is its only in one nipple, the other is absolutely fine (touch wood) just cant seem to make it shrink, really starting to piss me off now.. feel paranoid walking round with a t-shirt on

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Welcome to the club
 
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Welcome to the club
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Iv been reading that progestin gyno normally goes away after you discontinue your cycle? The lump is still 650 tender, normally 2 days on a higher dose ai and the lump is painless but not this time, 4 days of nolva in the past has shrunk the lumps down to almost nothing

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Aborting tren due to gyno, will anavar and sust hinder gyno reversal? Running letro, nolva and prami to try nuke gyno before my holiday but really want to continue some sort of cycle to keep gaining a little

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If the gyno is prog related can't nolva make it worse since it upregulates progesterone receptors?

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Iv heard all this talk of nolva and tren is just parroted around sites, it certainly hasnt made things worse, infact it was only when I added nolva that it stopped growing, just need to know weather 250 sust and some anavar will hinder gyno reversal?

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Deebo88 said:
Iv heard all this talk of nolva and tren is just parroted around sites, it certainly hasnt made things worse, infact it was only when I added nolva that it stopped growing, just need to know weather 250 sust and some anavar will hinder gyno reversal?

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The test and var isn't gonna make gyno any better. So Id drop everything and fix the issue.
 
Continued with sust, a week after dropping the tren my gyno has almost cleared!! Prami couldnt save me from tren gyno even at 1.5mg a day, I guess 19nor just isnt for me... put my sust up to 600mg pw and going to add some winstrol for the last 6 weeks, im gutted really lol I was enjoying the tren...

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HI THERE !! sorry im new to this site and i have a few questions i would like to ask about my 2nd cycle, im about to stack test 400 and tren ace, ive been adviced to stack 1ml of each and inject every mon and thursday
im 30 years old , 160 lbs , i dont know my bf % lol
my 1st cycle was deca and tren ..i gain lots of weight during my 1st cycle and i got a good results, my side effect was enough to fuck me up lol, emotions, stress and depression, since i was going through a break up lol, im totally fine now and my sex drive is fine i havent notice any changes.
 
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