Training myths?

[ZZuluZ]

'You still havn't explained what the imposed demand is"

Dude, imposed demand is any demand placed on the body. ANY demand. I'm just using the term loosely here let's not get hung up on it.

" If the muscle doing the lifting is working well within its capacity, what is the imposed demand on the body to increase by hypertrophy? "

The demand is there to lift the weight 8-9 times. I know you think that if you don't go to failure you're body won't adapt and act like it's absolutely nothing but this is a false paradigm too many have been adhering too...

'And i assume we are talking about hypertrophy? Because i see you referring to all weightlifters as examples."

Yes. I'm referring to both.

Hypertrophy is not a result of effort [although load is crucial..] . In loose terms it is a result of WORK DONE. [I am not using the physics definition of work done here]. I say loose terms because it's not the only conrtibuting factors; mechanical load is another, etc... Now your muscles are not the only thing working here-- your CNS is being taxed as well.

When you go to failure it takes about 7 days to recover [generalization, depends on many factors, but this is a guideline]. However your muscles have recovered within 2-4 days. If you were NOT training to failure you'd be able to hit your muscles every 2-4 days and not have to wait an entire week for your CNS to recuperate.

'Good info ZULU. I never knew the difference between these types of failure. I agree with your logic on this post."

Glad I was helpful.

Hope this post clarifies a few things. I haven't gone in depth at all here....this is just scratching the surface.


-Zulu

 

[louden_swain]

People forget that everyone is built differently, therefore exercise selection, sets, reps, or whatever will affect everyone in a different way.

 

[sorerotators]

'You still havn't explained what the imposed demand is"

Dude, imposed demand is any demand placed on the body. ANY demand. I'm just using the term loosely here let's not get hung up on it.

" If the muscle doing the lifting is working well within its capacity, what is the imposed demand on the body to increase by hypertrophy? "

The demand is there to lift the weight 8-9 times. I know you think that if you don't go to failure you're body won't adapt and act like it's absolutely nothing but this is a false paradigm too many have been adhering too...

'And i assume we are talking about hypertrophy? Because i see you referring to all weightlifters as examples."

Yes. I'm referring to both.

Hypertrophy is not a result of effort [although load is crucial..] . In loose terms it is a result of WORK DONE. [I am not using the physics definition of work done here]. I say loose terms because it's not the only conrtibuting factors; mechanical load is another, etc... Now your muscles are not the only thing working here-- your CNS is being taxed as well.

When you go to failure it takes about 7 days to recover [generalization, depends on many factors, but this is a guideline]. However your muscles have recovered within 2-4 days. If you were NOT training to failure you'd be able to hit your muscles every 2-4 days and not have to wait an entire week for your CNS to recuperate.

'Good info ZULU. I never knew the difference between these types of failure. I agree with your logic on this post."

Glad I was helpful.

Hope this post clarifies a few things. I haven't gone in depth at all here....this is just scratching the surface.


-Zulu

What you are trying to describe has been widely known in the powerlifting/weightlifting community for years.

It has also been well known to not be the best way to achieve hypertrophy.

There was no need to get your panties in a bind "Dude".

 

[MarshallPenniford]

Well known as not the best way to acheive hypertrophy? How so?

 

[ZZuluZ]

"It has also been well known to not be the best way to achieve hypertrophy.

There was no need to get your panties in a bind "Dude"."

Actually, it applies to hypertrophy as well as I have explained.

-Zulu

 

[lemur]

last I checked, ZZuluZ's panties weren't all fucked up, he was just being informant...

I appreciate this information, I'll need to make the corresponding adjustements in my routine... it makes perfect sense to me.

 

[lemur]

a question for you too, ZZuluZ.

How taxing do you think taking lets say, two sets of an entire workout to failure is on CNS? Or is this what you were referring to before? For instance, lets say I'm on my last rep of a 12 rep OHP, and I'm so determined to get the rep that I use all available strength in my delts and then some leg strength to get it up (essentially performing a push press), will this impare CNS recovery greatly, or not much at all? Would I most likely be better to stop around the 9-11 rep range, or just go all out?

 

[ZZuluZ]

'last I checked, ZZuluZ's panties weren't all fucked up, he was just being informant... "

Thanks

'Would I most likely be better to stop around the 9-11 rep range, or just go all out?"

You'd be better off stoping short. I know it's tempting to really give it your all, but those last few reps really aren't worth it in terms of elongating recovery times.

As a sidenote, going to failure on isolation movements is not as stressing on the CNS. I really would avoid it on compound movements tho.

You'll be able to use more volume/frequency assuming your work capacity is high enough.

In terms of adjusting your routine, you can train more often and do a few extra sets.

-Zulu

 

[coolcolj]

I think it depends on how you fail.

Say your doing squats , and you hit the 8th rep, you pull it off, but it was a bit slower than the the 7th rep.

Then you start the 9th rep, and you have to bust your nuts to break through the sticking point, and it took you 4 secs to complete the rep. Then you try the 10th rep and fail.

That 9th rep hit your CNS pretty damn hard.
Do this for every set of your workout and that's gotta hurt something.

But if you were to do that same 9th rep, and then "failed" at first sign of excessive exertion, then your fine.

I think a good guide is to call off the set once your rep speed falls significantly lower than the first few reps.

 

[HulkRow]

this is a huge one for newbies

1. Training chest, bis, and tris 5 days a week will make you huge...

complete FICTION