The Truth abou ANWR.

[gotmilk]

Not a sign of the spill.

Depends on what you count as a sign. No oil or sludge. How about the people who are piss-poor because they lost their fishing income, got hosed by the courts, and the suicide rate of those economically impacted?

I'm cool with drilling in ANWAR, but not cool with this horseshit that this drilling will mysteriously lower gas and oil prices. This crap will be extracted and sold at market prices regardless.

 

[Lestat]

I'd prefer a more long term solution and approach as opposed to more drilling, particularly in undeveloped areas. Maybe it is a good idea to keep some reserves there just in case, maybe one day in a billion years when the sun burns out someone will thank us for not being so greedy?

I think the higher fuel prices are a good thing because they are finally giving the public the motivation to look for alternative and renewable energy sources. We should be able to get all the energy we need (yes for cars too) from the solar, wind, and water.

Why not develop an ultra compact and light battery that can be recharged with low cost electricity that is sourced from solar or wind sources? Seems a hell of a lot smarter than drilling and transporting oil from Alaska.

 

[mountain muscle]

I'd prefer a more long term solution and approach as opposed to more drilling, particularly in undeveloped areas. Maybe it is a good idea to keep some reserves there just in case, maybe one day in a billion years when the sun burns out someone will thank us for not being so greedy?

I think the higher fuel prices are a good thing because they are finally giving the public the motivation to look for alternative and renewable energy sources. We should be able to get all the energy we need (yes for cars too) from the solar, wind, and water.

Why not develop an ultra compact and light battery that can be recharged with low cost electricity that is sourced from solar or wind sources? Seems a hell of a lot smarter than drilling and transporting oil from Alaska.

How long will that take to implement? You better get to work on it asap. I don't understand your opposition to drilling our own oil. Makes no sense considering our infrastructure and lives are dependent on oil.

 

[Lestat]

How long will that take to implement? You better get to work on it asap. I don't understand your opposition to drilling our own oil. Makes no sense considering our infrastructure and lives are dependent on oil.

I think its stupid that we are so dependent on oil and I've been saying it for years! I can see using for recreation vehicles and such, but for daily commuting and regular transportation of goods (trucking) we are stupid to continue to depend/rely on oil!

 

[mountain muscle]

I think its stupid that we are so dependent on oil and I've been saying it for years! I can see using for recreation vehicles and such, but for daily commuting and regular transportation of goods (trucking) we are stupid to continue to depend/rely on oil!

For years huh? Ever since it became inconvenient for you or was when it became a cool political statement for your team?

 

[Lestat]

For years huh? Ever since it became inconvenient for you or was when it became a cool political statement for your team?

No, I had a physics project in high school (1994) where I proposed electricity driven mass transit (unlike anything we've done or seen before) in order to reduce the need for oil, and stop the ineffecient building of roads and parking lots. I still think it is ingenious, not without some negatives, but I still think it could work one day (just need a few hundred million to develop and an entire city willing to give up all its roads and parking lots.)

But yes, this was when I was a die hard republican too. My focus was more on how we use our space and money with roads. VERY inefficent, the majority of the day freeways are severely under utilized. Same with major parking lots. They cost a lot of build and maintain and they are barely used (as a percentage of total time). Gas was still less than 1.00 a gallon in places so people weren't screaming quite as much about that (see why I say its a GOOD thing we pay so much, I wouldn't care if gas was 10.00 per gallon, it would hurt us short term, but really motivate us to move in better directions in the future).

 

[mountain muscle]

No, I had a physics project in high school (1994) where I proposed electricity driven mass transit (unlike anything we've done or seen before) in order to reduce the need for oil, and stop the ineffecient building of roads and parking lots. I still think it is ingenious, not without some negatives, but I still think it could work one day (just need a few hundred million to develop and an entire city willing to give up all its roads and parking lots.)

But yes, this was when I was a die hard republican too. My focus was more on how we use our space and money with roads. VERY inefficent, the majority of the day freeways are severely under utilized. Same with major parking lots. They cost a lot of build and maintain and they are barely used (as a percentage of total time). Gas was still less than 1.00 a gallon in places so people weren't screaming quite as much about that (see why I say its a GOOD thing we pay so much, I wouldn't care if gas was 10.00 per gallon, it would hurt us short term, but really motivate us to move in better directions in the future).

Please share it with us then. Perhaps someone here can it going if it is so ingenious. You have had 14 years, give someone else a chance then, since it is such a big issue for you.

You still failed to answer my question on the time length for implementation of your rechargeable battery by solar/wind provided electricity. And what we are going to do interim?

Why isn't Cali fully self sustained on wind, solar and tidal power?

Why did they outbid everyone for the natural gas in Colorado and have a pipeline built to here so they could power their power plants? Shouldn't they be leading the way in alternatives since they, and you, like to give so much voice service to them?

 

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All of this is just fantisy though. The reason that I posted this thread it to show that our entire political system is a fraud. Your votes don't count. Republicans and Democrats in power argue and fight for us in front of the cameras and put on a good show. And everyone swallows their crap with a smile. Meanwhile behind the scenes they're working togather getting rich by making the ultra rich richer. And more powerful.

There is enough oil under Alaskan soil to power this entire country cheaply. But we are invading the middle east. Why?!?!?!?

Lestat is sort of right. I'm sure if we were really serious we could ween ourselves of of oil dependency in a decade or two. But why don't we?

Here's why...

 

[Lestat]

Please share it with us then. Perhaps someone here can it going if it is so ingenious. You have had 14 years, give someone else a chance then, since it is such a big issue for you.

You still failed to answer my question on the time length for implementation of your rechargeable battery by solar/wind provided electricity. And what we are going to do interim?

Why isn't Cali fully self sustained on wind, solar and tidal power?

Why did they outbid everyone for the natural gas in Colorado and have a pipeline built to here so they could power their power plants? Shouldn't they be leading the way in alternatives since they, and you, like to give so much voice service to them?

The idea isn't easy to explain in a message board, if we ever meet I'll talk to you about it.

I have no idea how long it takes to develop smaller more effecient batteries. But as with most development projects, the more funding it gets the quicker it will produce results. This isn't something that I am going to solve, or any one individual, its thousands of people and millions (more likely billions) of dollars.

California is fairly progressive, but its companies still look for the lowest cost options, not the most sustainable or environmently friendly. The only time they do is when forced to by the government, which I find sad.

 

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As long as republicans and democrats hate each other these assholes are free to accomplish what they really want unnoticed.