The Bible vs. Sex

[Mr. dB]

Which part of the bible forbids premarital sex? I know adultery is condemned, but I'm asking about fornication?

 

[GoldenDelicious]

im getting dressed, going to the beach, and picking up out of sheer frustration over this thread omg wtf holy shit fuck me drunk and bury me fucking pregnant gimme a triple vodka right fucking now fuckit ill get it myself

 

[perkele]

Where's Lestat?

 

[rykertest]

Evolution is slowly replacing the "need to believe" gene characteristic; it needs to pick up the pace.

:need to beleive" gene. LMAO. Oh you mean a soul?

 

[rykertest]

Don't worry i posted this on 3 other forums as well. (one of them was a Christian forum) I like the whole rounded viewpoint.

Waiting makes sense, for me more so due to the emotional attachment that can come with sex. But waiting until marriage? it just seems a bit extreme, why not just wait until you're with someone you love?

Here's the thing. what if you didnt get married? what if you died without having sex? How would that be a good deal? Are you willing to risk that, just so you can say the only women you had sex with was your wife?

So is sex really less special with your wife now because you had it with another person? I thought what made sex special was that it was with a certain person that you really like, not because it was the only person you'd been with.

It was at first, but that was kinda my hangup. Now, it doesn't matter who came first as long as I'm the last and I will be, but it would of been nice to know I was the ONLY one. Sex is great, but there are so many other way more important issues to deal with/struggle with, like death. K to you for going to other boards. It's smart of you to get many different views, but of course the bible should be your answer. It' snot easy man, I'm not going to tell you it is even close to easy, and failing is part of being a human. All I can tell you is to try our hardest to do what is right, and if you do make mistakes, hope you don't come away with HIV or an unwanted baby, etc. Just be careful if you do decide to have sex and protect yourself.

 

[rykertest]

Heal, the more you read of the Bible (and I strongly advise you to actually read the silly ass book, cover to cover, as opposed to permitting someone else to regurgitate THEIR interpretation of what is held between it's covers) the more you will find hypocricy ...

The restrictions against premarital sex, as far as my recollections extend, are limited to the old Testament (personally I've always thought Paul was either a closet homo or mysogynist, haven't figured out which). Well, if you're not a Jew, the Old Testament doesn't apply to you, does it? Why do xtians get themselves twisted up with Old Testament laws and restrictions when the Messiah said "I am the way, the truth and the life?" Did he tell y'all to keep kosher? NO, he said something to the effect that sin is not what goes INTO a man's mouth, but what comes out. So if you eat ham ...

Okay, you really want to be anal (in the psychological sense) ... the 10 commandments, are God's laws, RIGHT? These are the biggies, right? ADULTERY is mentioned. Adultery is having sex OUTSIDE of your marriage, meaning you or the person you're banging, is married. Specifically, extramarital sex that willfully and maliciously interferes with marriage relations. It does NOT mean UNmarried, consentual sex.

The problem with unmarried sex existed within Hebrew society, lands and property were automatically conferred to the first born son (before DNA testing). That was a MAJOR issue then and THAT was where the value of female virginity lie (and why adultery is such an issue). It didn't have shit to do with "sin." It had to do with inheritance, seriously.

Chastity and abstinence are, historically speaking, recent issues in xtian religion.

Hell, priests used to be allowed to marry until less than 600 years ago.

Okay, this is an interesting web page about Jesus and his opinions on sex, and IMHO, the crap that came around 1400 years after his death doesn't count:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/sex_jesu.htm

Heal, the only lesson was to be a good, compassionate person ... torturing yourself about having sex or not is not good, because you're hurting yourself, which is against Christianity (you're hurting one of God's creatures, aren't you? Torturing yourself mentally ...). Either be abstinant and proud of it or engage in relations and realize that rubbing bathing suit parts with another person isn't evil.

You want to see evil, you read about the holocaust, you read about John Wayne Gayce and Jeffrey Dahmler, that's EVIL, man, THAT shit is evil. Having consentual intercourse with another person ain't evil. Silly, messy, awkward, sure, but not evil.

Evil destroys joy, life and hope.

... course, I'm a pagan ... matter of fact I'm going to an initiation ceremony tomorrow , so what do I know?

The above bold is untrue. I like you MM, but your pagan views aren't going to allow you to really give an unbiased view of the "silly ass book" as you call it are they?

 

[rykertest]

What is the point of waiting until you are 29 yrs old to finally have sex, get married, have sex for two years, and then get divorced. You are now back at square one.

Abstaining from sex does not make you any more virtous than a cronic masterbator.

If you aren't having sex, then you are masterbating, which is just as sinful. It is impossible to get aroused and masterbate without thinking illicit, sexual thoughts.

There are preists and monks all over the world masterbating on a regular basis who are just as sinful in God's eyes as porn stars because they are fornicating and defiling themselves with carnal thoughts and engaging in sexual sin.

Well a 2 year marriage is the result of our society more so than the intent of god. He meant for marriage to be forever, but humans have screwed it up.

 

[rykertest]

I'm not sure he is.......christians, and I'm surrounded by them on a daily basis, pick and choose shit all the time. I"ve never been around people whose logic matrix's are more malleable. They can make the most absurd connections with the straightest of faces...........they can do this because the argument ALWAYS comes down to faith..........there is no proof of their god......just faith. And I would never take anyone's faith from them........but when they use "faith" to dictate MY life...??? I've got issues......

Yes the do do this, I agree. Thats why whenever we have this discussion on here about religion or the bible or christians, I STRONGLY encourage people so stop basing their view of the bible or god on HUMANS and read the book for yourself. THAT is the answer, not the feedback from humans. We screw the perfect will of god up on a constant basis, myself included. People judge a book by it's messenger and claim they are open minded. Thats the last thing they are. PLEASE, don't take a humans word for it, go read the bible.

 

[rykertest]

I hope this thread is still going (and halfway civil) when I turn, but work is calling. Have a good day everyone.

 

[redguru]

Pre-marital sex and extra-marital sex are not really discussed too much in the Bible. Christianity's problems with sexual freedom are a direct result of adoption of Augustinian theology and ethics. Aquinas refined this into the current form of sex as a Sacred act.

St. Augustine was a party animal before returning to Christianity. He had a concubine and was pretty randy. Most of his writings on the subject of sex deal with his struggle with lust. Which may be why the Church today frowns on sexual freedom. Read more of Augustine's philosophy and that of Thomas Aquinas to see how Christianity became puritanical and it may give you a more objective view. Live a little, healother.