The Bible vs. Sex

[redsamurai]

Thats the OLD testament you nitwit.

isn't the new testament supposed to be built from the old??

 

[redsamurai]

Wow, I'm sorry AAP, THIS is the dumbest thing I've read on EF. Youa re splitting hairs and you know it.

just sayin.

I'm not sure he is.......christians, and I'm surrounded by them on a daily basis, pick and choose shit all the time. I"ve never been around people whose logic matrix's are more malleable. They can make the most absurd connections with the straightest of faces...........they can do this because the argument ALWAYS comes down to faith..........there is no proof of their god......just faith. And I would never take anyone's faith from them........but when they use "faith" to dictate MY life...??? I've got issues......

 

[BNG]

LOL, stupid god damn christian. You're the type that gives christians a bad name.

How is this? Because I admit to being a sinner? Because I recognize that God is who forgives? Or is it because I am messed up, and though I believe in God I am not following mans ideals of what has become a label created by people like you? I have had no problem taking lives, fucking women, and a whole list of things that are outside of the box people have labeled "Christianity". The Bible has many stories of death and destruction sactioned and endorsed by God. I like the fact that God recognizes the benefit of widespread death. God forgives adulterers, and I like that as well. I think King David, Solomon, Goliath, and there are a list of others. God is a masculine God, one capable of much violence and mayhem, one who has made me who I am and I'm good with that.

People who actually are so arrogant to believe they have it all figured out are the ones most surprised by things thay can't fit into a box, and who panic like little screaming girls when it's time to be a warrior.

 

[samoth]

God is a masculine God,

Wow, I'm glad your god represents only half of the human species.

Good thing you can rape and kill, yet be forgiven. It gives you some hope in your little bubble world. I won't even touch the ignorance of your philosophical implications that good and evil do not exist, only god and not-god.

 

[Sub-Zero]

I am caught between 2 poles, and there is quite a bit of tension going on.
I'm not asking for advice or an answer, because I know thats not something that internet forum strangers can give for this. But I'm making a point that this tension exists in society, and am wondering if it has been true for anyone else, and how they've dealt with it.

The Bible makes it clear that premarital sex (or fornication) is not something that should be condoned.

Granted the book was written 2000 years ago, and many things in the Bible can be dismissed as cultural, but premarital sex is emphasized as wrong quite a few times in the Bible, and no cultural component is expressed. Furthermore, many Christians believe the Bible is completely inspired by God, and was designed to be relevant today as well as yesterday.

Sex is something that with birth control and proper std prevention can be a very enjoyable activity between 2 consenting individuals. It is the ultimate physical expression of affection in a relationship, an expression of intimacy, and nearly everyone considers it to be a factor in creating a healthy relationship between lovers (some need to test drive that part before marriage and some wait until they are married to their lover until they have it.)
Sex feels completely natural. Even when not in a relationship it still feels darn good.

But the Bible places such a huge restriction on sex. If one isnt going to have sex until they are married that might sound fine and all, but if they never get married, (say because they dont find the right person or whatever) then they wont ever get to experience sex.
And to marry just to have sex would seem very foolish, so that isnt a possiblity either.

It's not that the Bible is opposed to sex all the time, its just that it feels like it distorts it by making it all sacred and everything (which feels less natural to save it that long). It can only be had in a special situation (man and wife) and in all other situations its considered wrong.

Anyways, I'm not married, so it sucks to have to choose between 2 great things, the Bible and sex, and I wonder if anyone else has dealt with this tension before and knows what I'm talking about.

do both, make her suck your dick and pretend its communion then baptize her in your jizz/piss splashbath

 

[healother]

Posts. Plural. You answered the question for me when you said you posted this in three other forums. Please, turn off your computer, leave your house, and get the hell out into the real world and interact with real people. You will not find the answers to life in internet message forums. Unless your psych emphasis was in internet message board psychology, I suggest the real world as the optimum place to interact. Or, of course, there's always the killself option.



HUH?! I never thought of the differences between manual and automatic sex. Actually, I don't know what manual or automatic sex is. Does going from one to the other involve changing your transmission?

Tonight I did get out. I went to a party and interacted with lots of real people and talked to some girls. i didnt have to worry about the sex part though, since the party and the girls there sucked, but hey whatever.


manual sex means using something other than the mouth or genitals to stimulate the other person's genitals. i dont know why they call it that, but someone invented the term.

 

[Sub-Zero]

Tonight I did get out. I went to a party and interacted with lots of real people and talked to some girls. i didnt have to worry about the sex part though, since the party and the girls there sucked, but hey whatever.


manual sex means using something other than the mouth or genitals to stimulate the other person's genitals. i dont know why they call it that, but someone invented the term.

powerdrill your penis off

 

[ceo]

isn't the new testament supposed to be built from the old??

Well, Jesus did (allegedly) say, "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." Matt. 5:17-18

So, he came to fulfil - or (according to the Greek translation of the word fulfil), to make full, to fill, to fill up, to cause to abound, to perfect.

But, as someone else said about christians picking and choosing, and manipulating scripture to suit their needs at the moment so they look good and everyone else looks bad...I've seen/heard MANY christians use the arguement "that was the old testament, and Jesus came so we don't have to live under that (or some bullshit to that effect)."

As someone else here said also: be a good person, have a good heart. Love God, love others (didn't Jesus say those were the 2 greatest commandments, and that all the commandments could be summed up in that?).

You have to decide what that means for you, and what's right for you. Gathering others' opinions is ok, but in the end you're all alone. Or, your in the heat of the moment with some lucky lady and you've got to think quickly! ;-)

Either way, good luck and whatever you decide will ultimately end up being something you might possibly regret later...or it won't.

Easy huh?

 

[healother]

Heal, the more you read of the Bible (and I strongly advise you to actually read the silly ass book, cover to cover, as opposed to permitting someone else to regurgitate THEIR interpretation of what is held between it's covers) the more you will find hypocricy ...

The restrictions against premarital sex, as far as my recollections extend, are limited to the old Testament (personally I've always thought Paul was either a closet homo or mysogynist, haven't figured out which). Well, if you're not a Jew, the Old Testament doesn't apply to you, does it? Why do xtians get themselves twisted up with Old Testament laws and restrictions when the Messiah said "I am the way, the truth and the life?" Did he tell y'all to keep kosher? NO, he said something to the effect that sin is not what goes INTO a man's mouth, but what comes out. So if you eat ham ...

Okay, you really want to be anal (in the psychological sense) ... the 10 commandments, are God's laws, RIGHT? These are the biggies, right? ADULTERY is mentioned. Adultery is having sex OUTSIDE of your marriage, meaning you or the person you're banging, is married. Specifically, extramarital sex that willfully and maliciously interferes with marriage relations. It does NOT mean UNmarried, consentual sex.

The problem with unmarried sex existed within Hebrew society, lands and property were automatically conferred to the first born son (before DNA testing). That was a MAJOR issue then and THAT was where the value of female virginity lie (and why adultery is such an issue). It didn't have shit to do with "sin." It had to do with inheritance, seriously.

Chastity and abstinence are, historically speaking, recent issues in xtian religion.

Hell, priests used to be allowed to marry until less than 600 years ago.

Okay, this is an interesting web page about Jesus and his opinions on sex, and IMHO, the crap that came around 1400 years after his death doesn't count:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/sex_jesu.htm

Heal, the only lesson was to be a good, compassionate person ... torturing yourself about having sex or not is not good, because you're hurting yourself, which is against Christianity (you're hurting one of God's creatures, aren't you? Torturing yourself mentally ...). Either be abstinant and proud of it or engage in relations and realize that rubbing bathing suit parts with another person isn't evil.

You want to see evil, you read about the holocaust, you read about John Wayne Gayce and Jeffrey Dahmler, that's EVIL, man, THAT shit is evil. Having consentual intercourse with another person ain't evil. Silly, messy, awkward, sure, but not evil.

Evil destroys joy, life and hope.

... course, I'm a pagan ... matter of fact I'm going to an initiation ceremony tomorrow , so what do I know?

I've read most of the Bible. I read through most of the old testament and most of the new testament. It's tough to read it cover to cover within a few months, cuz i usually burnout, but I've still managed to cover most of it.

In the New Testament Jesus speaks against fornication in Mark 7:21 when he says "For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders "

He also alludes that it is not good later, when he is talking about divorce in Mark 10::
6 "But at the beginning of creation God `made them male and female.'
7 `For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife,
8 and the two will become one flesh.' So they are no longer two, but one.
9 Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."

And of course Paul speaks against fornication all the time. So the new testament is quite against premarital sex actually.

I know that adultery is the only thing about sex listed in the 10 commandments, but then again back in the old days with people marrying so soon, maybe adultery was more of a problem than fornication?

The Hebrew land laws are a good point. My friend mentioned that one to me too.

I dont want to torture myself. but sometimes people do things that are hard, because its good in the long run. Like a person going on a diet. Granted I would never refrain from sex if I was married to someone, but there is still some similarity between these 2 concepts.

What is the point of waiting until you are 29 yrs old to finally have sex, get married, have sex for two years, and then get divorced. You are now back at square one.

Abstaining from sex does not make you any more virtous than a cronic masterbator.

If you aren't having sex, then you are masterbating, which is just as sinful. It is impossible to get aroused and masterbate without thinking illicit, sexual thoughts.

There are preists and monks all over the world masterbating on a regular basis who are just as sinful in God's eyes as porn stars because they are fornicating and defiling themselves with carnal thoughts and engaging in sexual sin.

First off, divorce is wrong too.

Secondly, so I guess thinking about having sex and having sex are both equally wrong? I know that way of thinking doesnt apply to other sins. I would consider committing adultery to be way worse than fantasizing about adultery.

The only way to avoid sexual sin is to neuter yourself and never touch your dick, outside of marriage. That is why the bible does not mention masterbation, because it is a necessary evil. Imagine our society without masterbation. Rape would be common place. You couldn't walk from your house to your car without getting jumped by someone.

yeah, I always wondered why the bible didnt mention masturbation haha, but it mentions lust. there are some christians out there who have supposedly learned how to stop lusting after women. check out www.lustfreeliving.org

im not sure if its possible to stop lusting entirely, but i know its possible to reduce the frequency of doing so.

heal.......is there someone out there you really care about, respect etc....????

and is there an issue about having sex with said person???

no there isnt. but im going to be hanging out with more girls soon. and i might even consider getting physical even if i dont find a girl i love. i mean why hold off on something great like sex? The bible, thats the main reason why I'd hold off. It bothers me.

 

[samoth]

I've read most of the Bible. I read through most of the old testament and most of the new testament. It's tough to read it cover to cover within a few months, cuz i usually burnout, but I've still managed to cover most of it.

You haven't even read in entirety the one book you place your fucking life and beliefs in?!

There went any respect I had for your e-person. Do the world a favor and kill self.

HTFH