Test-prop vs. Tren help me out

[joe d]

I am on my first cycle ever. Im about 3 weaks in using home brew test-prop alone. Im gaining but im worried about gyno. My body fat is also climbing higher than before. Before i started i was 5'5'' 196lbs 20% bf now after 3 weaks i am 203lbs and 23%bf. So all in all i am woried i may turn into a lard ass with big tits.
The craze here seems to be tren. So i ordered the shit. What can i expect different than test-prop. Also i was happy with 2cc eod with the prop what would be an average or comparable dose of tren and how often. Of course i will start with much less. The only side i found with prop other than damn near raping my girlfriend regularly was when i tried to go up to 2.5cc eod i developed an instant high temper. So i imediately dropped back to 2cc and was fine.

 

[*The_West*]

also you mention using "2cc" eod of prop, what concentration is it? if its 100mg/ml that is wayyyy too much for a first cycle.

 

[*The_West*]

and your bodyfat will be largely to do with what you are eating. fix that problem, dont try to solve it with drugs.

 

[IronmanLV]

I have to agree with Big A, do your homework. Tren is great stuff so long as you have the experience under your belt but probably can be potentially the most dangerous of all the injectables. It's definitly not for newbie's.

Many people think Tren is a fat burner. WRONG! However if you are reasonably lean it favors lean gains over fat and fluid retention.

I have to also agree with Big A when he said, you need to get your diet dialed in. If you are over 20% B/F you are wasting your time taking anything. I would recommend getting off of everything, do your post cycle recovery and wait until you have more knowledge and experience and a lot less B/F. The stuff will keep.

Here is a little advice...If you want to have any success as a Bodybuilder realize its more about doing things right than drugs. Save the drugs until you have everything right.

To make really good progress think of it like a triangle. You have to have the right balance of the right traiining, the right diet and the right recovery. Once you have all of that going for you then you're ready. But right now you are too far from that point.

Good luck.

 

[joe d]

I started with .5cc and moved up until i noticed a difference when i went to 2.5 the pump was awesome but it made me pretty edgy so i dropped back. I cant realy say the concentration it is my first batch and i have nothing to compare it to. From studying the different drugs i thoughy the test would be a good choice. But through lack of resorces i am limmited to the 2 mentioned. My bf was good before and steady. When i started the prop i went a little overboard i think trying to get the most out of it. I upped my cal intake from a very clean 4500 to 6000 so i believe that is the culprit. I dont mind the 20%bf and my girl loves it.

 

[Big A]

you shouldnt be shooting homemade prop if you dont even know the concentration. I wouldnt get back on till your at 15% bf. What kinds of foods are you eating to get those calories??

 

[smtimelevi]

I started with .5cc and moved up until i noticed a difference when i went to 2.5 the pump was awesome but it made me pretty edgy so i dropped back. I cant realy say the concentration it is my first batch and i have nothing to compare it to. From studying the different drugs i thoughy the test would be a good choice. But through lack of resorces i am limmited to the 2 mentioned. My bf was good before and steady. When i started the prop i went a little overboard i think trying to get the most out of it. I upped my cal intake from a very clean 4500 to 6000 so i believe that is the culprit. I dont mind the 20%bf and my girl loves it.

Concentration means MG per ML around here not potency.

 

[gunnz]

Def. get your diet in check, more lean protein(chicken,fish,steaks etc.) less carbs. Up your cardio and the fat will start to fall off!!

 

[joe d]

why is the 20% bf bad ? I trimmed to 17% a few months ago just to see how i looked and i prefer 20% i hold it well with my normal diet. i do have a solid foundation. i started with a trainer 4 years ago and have done nothing but improve however that same trainer and i agree that i have hit that dreaded point. i have not made a gain in almost 6 months until now. some fat some muscle. i did step the food up a bit to high. i say the cc instead of mg because im not so sure on the percentage loss do to the conversion process. if there was a 0% loss then i would be using 200mg eod but there is no way. i am going to guess 150mg eod. my diet is 6 meals per day for beef 3 times poultry 1 time shakes with milk 2 times. for carbs its a wide variety of whole grains rice, bread, oatmeal, pasta ect. 1 apple per day 2 green salads per day. 1 handfull of mixed nuts about 1.5 galons of water the normal variety of suppliments and thats pretty much it. i do take body building very serously and have learned my body well. however as you can see i am very new to the steroid part. every one is concerned about the bf. im not sure why. i would not like 15% unless i was competing then of course i would drop to about 10 but i look a little to ripped and veiny at 17% let alone 15%. Is there a reason 20% is to high? something that would impact a cycle or my health?

 

[ALIN]

I am on my first cycle ever. Im about 3 weaks in using home brew test-prop alone. Im gaining but im worried about gyno. My body fat is also climbing higher than before. Before i started i was 5'5'' 196lbs 20% bf now after 3 weaks i am 203lbs and 23%bf. So all in all i am woried i may turn into a lard ass with big tits.
The craze here seems to be tren. So i ordered the shit. What can i expect different than test-prop. Also i was happy with 2cc eod with the prop what would be an average or comparable dose of tren and how often. Of course i will start with much less. The only side i found with prop other than damn near raping my girlfriend regularly was when i tried to go up to 2.5cc eod i developed an instant high temper. So i imediately dropped back to 2cc and was fine.

are you watching your diet?