Stop Recommending Testosterone To Newbies!

[the_alcatraz]

Quick points.

# 1: The fact that primo is expensive is irrelevant to the topic.

#2:The fact that it's faked has nothing to do with the original point.

#3: I'm not hearing any arguments as to what I'm saying is wrong other than some people like test and want to use it.

Not everyone wants AAS to be a lifetime thing. Some guys do a few cycles and that's it. If you want to have a functional HPTA, then you should go as easy as possible on it. A first cycle can be very successful without bashing the HPTA, so why do it? That's my point. You can always go stronger. That will lead to more growth. The more you take early on will determine you needing more later on.

And Tat is 100% correct. NOBODY has studies as to how one steroid is different than another and there are millions of variables that can be argued infinitum anyway. Show me the study that says Var doesn't aromatize. We all know it doesn't. But where's the proof? Some things are just common sense based on the information that exists.

And yes, we need to look at things differently instead of parroting what the popular message board fashion is. If someone thinks they can come up with interesting theories based on a cogent argument then please, post it up. That's the stuff that I find intriguing. But it's not as easy as you may think.

The first two points have EVERYTHING to do with the topic bro.

#1 - How many people can afford or are willing to pay that much for their first cycle?

#2 - How well can n00bs tell fake aas from the real deal. Primo being the most faked steroids raises the chances of noobs having a really shity first cycle as a result of bad gear.

As for the rest of your points:

How do you compare the versatility of primo with how you can add test to pretty much everything and anything?

Test gives you size, strength, vascularity, feelings of well being. How well does Primo compare to that.

Usually first cycles are for growth. How well does Primo compare to test if you want a bulking cycle?

Do you think Primo will give anywhere near the gains test will give as a first cycle?

Don't you think Primo is a little overrated, when compared to Masteron, which is pretty close to it?

A lot of people desire "aggression' in their workouts. How does primo compare to test in terms of raising one's aggression?

Test gives you a healthy appetite. Does Primo do that as well, and to what degree?

 

[the_alcatraz]

One more thing. You can run test for a year without coming off.

How long can you run Primo?

 

[Mr. dB]

One more thing. You can run test for a year without coming off.

How long can you run Primo?

...or dbol???

 

[Nelson Montana]

The first two points have EVERYTHING to do with the topic bro.

#1 - How many people can afford or are willing to pay that much for their first cycle?

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PRICE HAS NOTHING TO WITH SUPPRESSION.


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#2 - How well can n00bs tell fake aas from the real deal. Primo being the most faked steroids raises the chances of noobs having a really shity first cycle as a result of bad gear.

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NO ONE CAN TELL FAKES. THE FIRST GEAR I EVER BOUGHT WAS FAKE. THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SUPPRESSION.

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As for the rest of your points:


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How do you compare the versatility of primo with how you can add test to pretty much everything and anything?

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YOU CAN ADD PRIMO TO ANYTHING.


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Test gives you size, strength, vascularity, feelings of well being. How well does Primo compare to that.

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I DIDN'T SAY TEST WASN'T EFFECTIVE. THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SUPRESSPION.


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Usually first cycles are for growth. How well does Primo compare to test if you want a bulking cycle?

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EAT AND YOU WILL GROW.


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Do you think Primo will give anywhere near the gains test will give as a first cycle?

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YES,


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Don't you think Primo is a little overrated, when compared to Masteron, which is pretty close to it?

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MAST IS A CROSS BETWEEN PRIMO AND PROVIRON.


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A lot of people desire "aggression' in their workouts. How does primo compare to test in terms of raising one's aggression?

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IT DOESN;T . THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SUPPRESSION.


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Test gives you a healthy appetite. Does Primo do that as well, and to what degree?

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YES. BUT ONE THING IS TRUE. YOU CAN;T GO ON PRIMO ALL YEAR OR YOU'LL BE SUPPRESSED WITHOUT ANYTHING REPLACING NATURAL TEST. BUT THAT TOO IS A SEPARATE SUBJECT.

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[the_alcatraz]

...or dbol???

Exactly.

Test is pretty much the only thing you can run that long, and it's the most versatile aas out there.

 

[dabuffguy]

Neson, you roriginal post was "Stop teling newbs to use test for a first cycle." and your reaon was supression.


Well, besides suppression, which is a major negative, test holds every other reason to use as a first besides having to man up and use a needle for the first time.

So, the pro's, IMO, far out weigh the cons even though it's a big con. The con is you are more suppressed. We accept the fact that we have to do PCT, regrdless of what compound used, so what is the major difference when it's all said and done?

 

[the_alcatraz]

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Bro, no offense but you pretty much didn't answer any of my questions.

Your original post was about not giving advice to noobs to take test as their first cycle and NOT about supression. Yuo have not proved why test shouldnt be the first cycle in any way.

Answering with a "yes" to my questions without any real evidence or at least annecdotal (sp?) evidence is really not that effective in getting an idea through to me.

Plus, masteron is NOT primo and proviron. Proviron is pretty damn close to being an oral masteron by itself.

You can't just say 'eat and you will grow" or we wouldnt be having this discussion about steroids in the first place.

All my points have nothing to do with supression because this thread has nothing to do with supression. It has to do with the fact that you are saying not to give noobs advice to take test when that is the best advice you can give and you simply have nothing to backup that claim with.

I am not saying any of the above to offend you bro, I know you are very knowledgeable and probably know more about aas than I do, but your above claim is pretty much something that cannot be backed up.

 

[sweed]

I forgot the post I was discussing with you about the first cycle Nelson which you never got to ( or I never saw, sorry!). But I was challenging your scope of a different compound other than test for a first cycle.
Yes you will grow with anything. But with test you will grow more and, isn't the point of pct to help bring the levels back in place. we were never born to grow and develop this much. But some of us just want to be that way. not normal and to train to be much better than the average fat/ unhealthy amerian/ person. Test did a great job for my first cycle 3.5 years ago. and it will be my choice for my next cycle. low(er) dose test only. BAM! haha
Sorry I didn't read every post.

 

[Tatyana]

this thread really is just non sense...why be on a steroid board saying dont use testosterone...this is just retarded...im sorry but are you guys serious?

this is the stupidest thing ive read in a long time. thank you nelson.

I think ill stick with my testosterone.

This is in reference to a first cycle for a newbie chaps.

It is not 'don't use test ever'.


Most of you have already stuck a needle in your ass.

If you could re-do your first cycle, what WOULD you do?

Constructive criticism and opinions please.

Ta

 

[the_alcatraz]

This is in reference to a first cycle for a newbie chaps.

It is not 'don't use test ever'.


Most of you have already stuck a needle in your ass.

If you could re-do your first cycle, what WOULD you do?

Constructive criticism and opinions please.

Ta

Good morning Tat