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spondylolysis and lifting?

bigstve12

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As ive been increasing my core lifts, I seem to be worrying more about injury. I have had luck thus far with no training related injuries. In school (gonna be a chiropractor) we have been studying spondlolysis/spondylolisthesis. My prof said these are most prevalent among lifters, especially those who deadlift. Has anyone on here ever been diagnosed with either of these two, and is there any way to prevent these injuries? Deadlifts are my favorite exercise, so you can see why this worries me. Any opinions?
 
Bigsteve, I've never been diagnosed with spondylolysis, but I know a few body builders that have had a similar diagnosis. The main difference being the amount of core reinforcement a powerlifter puts behind a deadlift, and the amount a body builder might put behind it...yes, this varies lifter to lifter. Alot of the core strength and recruitment patterns, and chaos recovery work that a powerlifter might do is in direct opposition to the goals of a bodybuilder, especially one woried about getting a thick waste. I know not every powerlifter trains the same, but I personally give more time to core strength, recovery, chaos recovery, flexibility, etc...specifically so that when I DO perform things like deadlifts, I am equipped to handle it.

It seems to me that this happens most often when the lifter can't control the eccentric phase, or when an athlete is doing something with forward force while twisting (like soccer, baseball, etc..) Another reason form and plane of action are important.

I don't know how often you witness, right here on the training board, people that don't know the difference between a deadlift, and its variations (RDL, SLDL, etc...). There is a large difference in injury potential. Someone like me who performs a max full ROM deadlift 4-6 times a year with perfect form after months of training for it, will have a different experience than someone doing RDL's at too high a weight, and is experiencing eccentric failure (WHICH DOES NOT EXIST IN A TRUE DEAD). A true deadlift is concentric...you pick it up. That's it. Also, a true deadlift is compound, and can involve many other muscles, as well as force factors like speed. Again, in opposition, someone doing high weight RDLs is likely isolating someting...like THE LOWER BACK, or hamstrings.

Sorry for the drawn out lecture. I want to stress that A> there may be a difference in definition here with regard to "a deadlift," and B> I don't think the deadlift is the problem, it's the lifter.
 
Thanx for the reply Spatts, I knew when i made this post you would have some good info for me. Do you think doing full deads on a weekly basis is too much? I really have great core strength, I think i had this conversation w/ you before, but i really don't care about a thick waist. At this point in my training all i care about is moving some serious weights. I like to think my form is perfected, ive spent a lot of time on it.
 
We only do full ROM max deads when we compete. So yeah, weekly sounds like alot to me.

Chaos recovery involves preparing for strength in planes of weakness so that you can react and hopefully recover from them and avoid injury or chaos. For example: One common form of "chaos" is to have the bar start traveling back toward your head while benching. When performing a JM Press, you are pressing heavy weights away from your face in the bench plane. So when that time comes, if you fall out of the groove and the bar starts traveling in a dangerous position, hopefully you will have the strength the correct the plane of travel and get back in the groove and lock it out.

Likewise, goodmornings are chaos recovery from falling forward in a squat. If I lean too far forward with 400+ pounds on my back, I know I can correct it and get back into a safe position because I trained to do that.

Make sense?
 
SofaGeorge said:
What the purple jellybeans is spondlolysis/spondylolisthesis?

Thats what I was thinking.....?

Spatts - I had never heard of chaos recovery but I have to say that it sounds like something that more lifters should think about!!!
 
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Spatts--makes sense. So how could i incorporate pulls from the pins into a 5X5 type program?

SG: Spondylolysis in non scientific terms is a fracture of a vertebrae, most commonly L5, low back. Spondylolisthesis is when one vertebrae slips forward on the other, it is usually, but not always associated with spondylolysis.

I did some more research and found that excessive hyperextension also contributes to these two comditions.
 
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