So I'm thinking about starting a CKD, i need some meal ideas.

[ironwings]

You may want to have protein after working out and then an hour later enjoy a full meal. I'm not a firm believer of eating prior to the workout - you know your body best though and if you need some fat prior to the workout - go for it!

 

[ososos]

You may want to have protein after working out and then an hour later enjoy a full meal. I'm not a firm believer of eating prior to the workout - you know your body best though and if you need some fat prior to the workout - go for it!

Thanks a lot

 

[REFORMATA]

Ironwings--how are you and OB? And WHERE IS OB?

I've been cycling back and forth between a CKD for 3 weeks..and a TKD for 3 weeks. Its really dramatically changed my body composition-and I am learning soo much as well!

Are you very knowledgeable about the TKD? I'm wondering what's the BEST way to tackle it. I usually only have say, a cup of oatmeal after a workout. And then for a really heavy (let's say deadlift day) have 8 oz of 100 percent fruit juice, and yams or oatmeal postworkout (after my shake of course!)

So what do you think? ALSO did yall ever take those 'contest' pics? Sorry if I just missed them..anyway, take care!

 

[ironwings]

OB and I are great! He'll be back soon. We are launching a business and supplement so things have been a bit crazy.

I've never had the need for TKD so I'm not the best to ask. I know it is used a lot for contest prep but my workouts never suffered from a CKD protocol. I structured them so they went right along with my diet. My only thought would be to add more raw fruits and veggies as your pre and post carb source. Raw juices are great for this - you can cram spinach, grapes, strawberries, an apple or whatever else (I like pineapple juice and avocados) into a heavy duty blender and it taste great and you are leaving the grains alone. I feel much better when I go this route than use oatmeal and yams. Matter of fact, I haven't ate either for almost 6 months now.

Both OB and I experimenting with our own protocol. We are insane that way. He has been following a more Paleo type diet for weeks now and is interestingly enough experiencing amazing results. His strength continues to sky rocket and he continues to lose fat - in stubborn places (not that he has any freakin' fat). It is kinda like a Paleo Cyclic Ketogenic Crossfit Wendler Protocol. Don't ask ;-)

So how is the TKD coming along for you. You should see results - if you don't - you need to change what you are doing. Easier said then done I know.

We had a great photo shoot. My avi is one of the shots- I'll post more later. There are some pics from our wedding in my profile.

Share more with us about the TKD as you learn how your body responds!

 

[OneBreath]

Ironwings--how are you and OB? And WHERE IS OB?

I've been cycling back and forth between a CKD for 3 weeks..and a TKD for 3 weeks. Its really dramatically changed my body composition-and I am learning soo much as well!

Are you very knowledgeable about the TKD? I'm wondering what's the BEST way to tackle it. I usually only have say, a cup of oatmeal after a workout. And then for a really heavy (let's say deadlift day) have 8 oz of 100 percent fruit juice, and yams or oatmeal postworkout (after my shake of course!)

So what do you think? ALSO did yall ever take those 'contest' pics? Sorry if I just missed them..anyway, take care!

What's up? Glad you are still on keto. Personally the TKD never worked for me because once i had those carbs my body just kept craving. Like if i had some oatmeal PWO, i would be starving by my next meal (which would be meat and fat). After that meal i would still be starving, like my body was doing "oh hell no, give me that sugar".

I'm still on CKD. I feel like i'm honing in on my refeeds each week. Last 2 weeks i've been eating 2 boxes of fresh backed snickerdoodle cookies from Fresh Market (no preservatives). One thing i've noticed is that sticking with basic foods (less chemicals) does the trick for me. If i have icecream, it's Haagen-Daz 5 which only has the basic ingredients like it was homemade (SKIM MILK, CREAM, SUGAR, EGG YOLKS, VANILLA (VANILLA BEAN FLAKES, VANILLA EXTRACT)

Keep it clean with the ingredients and you body will reward by letting go.

 

[REFORMATA]

Ironwings--thankyou, ill try the shake. A buddy of mine and I used to make one almost identical with spinach, avocados, various fruits, and aloe vera juice. (Delicious!)

So I am curious about OBs protocol..what exactly is this Paleo program? Also to OB, what does your whole refeed look like now, in its evolved state? And what have your fat/protein meals become? I've been doing a lot of chicken, cheese, tuna, ham (not a lot), salmon (!), and of course ANPB and eeeegs!

Okay IW (ironwings), a specific question for you. I've read some of your posts, you mentioned I believe increasing intensity, and lowering volume--as in a more DC style approach. Is that what you mean when you say you structured your workouts to go right along with your refeeds? Do you just place your (heavier) days around your refeeds, and stick to cardio the rest of the week? Please give me an example of what this would look like..thanks!

I have been doing DC style lifting 5 days a week, cardio the other two days..and its served me well! Accept, I'm on cycle right now..so I'm worried about keeping my regimine this way (lifting heavy NOT around refeeds) when I come off.

And you two are starting a business? Too cool. Best of luck to you both!

 

[ironwings]

Just wanted to let you know I have read your post. Today I have clients all day and will be heading out of town but as soon as I get settled I'l reply in more depth.

Watch for Onebreaths journal. He is starting one soon here on EF and will have his workouts and diet posted. I'm sure he'll also respond here to your questions. He has an interesting approach and is working really well (energy, endurance, strength and overall health improvements).

 

[OneBreath]

Ironwings--thankyou, ill try the shake. A buddy of mine and I used to make one almost identical with spinach, avocados, various fruits, and aloe vera juice. (Delicious!)

So I am curious about OBs protocol..what exactly is this Paleo program? Also to OB, what does your whole refeed look like now, in its evolved state? And what have your fat/protein meals become? I've been doing a lot of chicken, cheese, tuna, ham (not a lot), salmon (!), and of course ANPB and eeeegs!

Okay IW (ironwings), a specific question for you. I've read some of your posts, you mentioned I believe increasing intensity, and lowering volume--as in a more DC style approach. Is that what you mean when you say you structured your workouts to go right along with your refeeds? Do you just place your (heavier) days around your refeeds, and stick to cardio the rest of the week? Please give me an example of what this would look like..thanks!

I have been doing DC style lifting 5 days a week, cardio the other two days..and its served me well! Accept, I'm on cycle right now..so I'm worried about keeping my regimine this way (lifting heavy NOT around refeeds) when I come off.

And you two are starting a business? Too cool. Best of luck to you both!

Paleo refers to the Paleolithic era (what we think of as cavemen). Things like grains, dairy, legumes (beans, including peanuts) were not available to them. In general, the diet consists of meat, vegetables, fruit, nuts and seeds.

The theory (in over simplistic form) goes that once we developed agriculture and left the hunter/gatherer lifestyle, things went downhill. One thing we know for sure is that people shrank several inches in height. It has taken us 10,000 years to gain this height back actually.

Specifically to fat storage, grains, legumes (including peanuts), and corn contain lectins that fuck with our leptin (2 le words, don't get them confused).

Leptin is a hormone stored in fat that tells your brain it's time to stop eating. The more fat you have, the more leptin to send that signal. Perfect weight loss drug for obesity right?

Here's the problem: people at a normal weight did lose more weight when injected with synthetic leptin. However, obese people did not. The reason is because they have developed resistance to the leptin. They have plenty, but the receptors are down regulated. The problem is Lectins (the other le word). The lectins from grain, beans, peanuts, corn, etc can attach to the leptin receptor and block leptin from attaching. The constant attaching causes resistance over time (just like insulin resistance).

The end result is that you never get the message to stop eating. Eat more grains, beans, corn, etc and the problem just magnifies itself.

I typed all that out really fast so it might not make a lick of sense. I've got to go out of town (like IW said) so i'll post more later.

 

[REFORMATA]

That totally makes sense..I'm anxious to hear more.

And as to the TKD..it works well for keeping my muscles fuller. Also, I don't feel (as) drained during the day. But I have also run into the issue OB spoke of. I do tend to want to cheat when I follow a tkd.

 

[crulexis]

Great thread Subd..