Sassy: July 2006 - 41 & CA Bound

[Sassy69]

Sassy, well done chicka .. educating the masses post by post.

Good luck with the Grill!

Nice workout! You shoulda flexed your bi's & the dood that ganked your equipment and said "want summa this??" I wanna do those pullups!!! Grr ...

LOL I didn't want to make him feel bad.....

I was laughing when I walked into the gym- it was slammed, as you usually expect on a Monday after a hot weekend.... Completely slammed. Except for the squat rack. One skinny guy doing barbell curls. My gym is soooo not hard core. Or the girl who does every exercise you can imagine while holdign on to the 8 lb weights standing in the squat cage.

My ass still hurts from the stepper tho. I LOVE Adipokinetix! I have a stash that is a few yrs old - it takes 2 caps to get any response out of it, but its the smoothest thermo kick I've ever experienced! LOVE MA NYC!

 

[florencia]

Its sort of a balance between the two goals -- they are diametrically opposed so you just really can't expect to force your body to do both at the same time. I agree w/ Shadow - to "bulk" you don't have to gain 50 lbs & then cut it back down - but you can do a clean bulk and see how it works for you. I know other people who seem to respond better to a 'dirty' bulk. There also, a program may look great on paper, but the only way to know if it works is to try it. But there, because it is still part of the life you have to live every day, if you want try to cut & bulk at the same time, you havr to do 1000% of your program just to see if it works at all. But personally I think a big part of the challenge is that nutrition really isnt an exact science because we only understand the top layers of our body's response to it - i..e ok I see that carb cycling will drop bodyfat. But how big is the impact of cutting fruit (enzymes) from my diet in keepign the garbage shuttling process efficient? All sorts of trade offs because everythign that happens in your body is a balance between turning on & turning off various functions in response to what you ingest and the whole chemical balance going on. If one part gets backed up, that can propogate to a whole bunch of other things that might actually be very harmful but not show themselves until much further down the road when you couldn't have guessed what was going on unless you were doing full blood panels every week.

So to that end, its easier to stick to the more 'macro level' programs that leave room for adjustment and are very focused on achieving just one goal at a time. Trying to do more than that introduces too many variables and can be an exercise in conflicting actions that really don't get you anywhere.

Its sort of like the saying that there is good, fast & cheap - you can have 2 of the 3.

I agree 100%..You cannot serve two masters!
I on the other hand, must eat clean really clean or fat will deposit in it's favorite areas.
I think if training is heavy in cardio sessions,(which are also heavy workloads) which for him are sprints, long distance runs, steps. Bike on hills longs rides, and swimming 2000 at least daily, and protein intake is low, I think he will eat up all his muscle. I understand carb intake is a must, YET I would not lower protein intake, I think that is one of the reasons lesions appear.

 

[*Bunny*]

LOL I didn't want to make him feel bad.....

I was laughing when I walked into the gym- it was slammed, as you usually expect on a Monday after a hot weekend.... Completely slammed. Except for the squat rack. One skinny guy doing barbell curls. My gym is soooo not hard core. Or the girl who does every exercise you can imagine while holdign on to the 8 lb weights standing in the squat cage.

My ass still hurts from the stepper tho. I LOVE Adipokinetix! I have a stash that is a few yrs old - it takes 2 caps to get any response out of it, but its the smoothest thermo kick I've ever experienced! LOVE MA NYC!

I was like you love wha??? Ahhh NYC - Caff/Noreph/Yohimbine HCL lol. I still have a bottle, I tried it again just before I had my 'little hiatus' and was taking 2, when one would kick my butt back in the day. Literally made my skin crawl, then this time around barely did anything. Boys thought because it was 'shelved' for so long... I am thinking my adrenals were a factor. Last 3 days, I've tried the CB again after another LONG break, and it's been ok so far.

I was meaning to ask you, did you see J at the show? PM if you wish

 

[Sassy69]

I'd probably agree -- at least go by the rule of thumb 1-1.2 x your body weight in protein to maintain - and for guy, probably more like 1.5x. I would challenge him to relook at his protein intake, adjust up and see how it works for him. Also look at the quality of the carbs- for the calories of carbs consumed, is he getting the best quality for the demands of his body. If speed and agility are a demand on him, I'm guessing he doesnt' want to let the total calories get too wild, so in order to increase the protein, might need to optimize the calories taken up by carbs & fats.

A thought on achieving two goals at the same time - not so much the "look" but rather strength, I am thinking of our little hottie, Shades McCool - here is a college age guy, around 180 lb, who can run a fast 40 m dash while being able to deadlift 500 lb. Most of the power lifting guys are pushing 300 lb and feel they need to be that big to do competiton quality lifts - but Shades is a guy you'd probably never suspect of that amount of strength - so he's acheived amazing power & agility while not having bodyweight that would compromise his speed. Granted endurance training is slightly different than just sprinting, but at least making some tweaks to the diet will get more in the direction of at least preserving muscle mass vs completely sacrificing it.

 

[florencia]

Yes I think Shades McCool, is the guy who put up a video of a dead lift?

 

[Sassy69]

Yes I think Shades McCool, is the guy who put up a video of a dead lift?

Here's the hottie!

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=497105&highlight=deadlift+500

 

[florencia]

Here's the hottie!

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=497105&highlight=deadlift+500

Yep! Agreed!
Tell me about work updates

 

[sbt2082]

Yes... where are these updates???
Hi hun!!!

 

[ck2006]

Good morning!

might as well jump on the wagaon.... UPDATES????

 

[The Shadow]

Sassy just hit on a point that I have talked about for years.

Size vs. Strength training - while related they ARE separate goals.

Shades is a great example...as are a LOT of professional strongmen who get stronger and stronger year after year without jumping weight classes