Revamped and DIRTY

[JKurz1]

7:00 cytogainer with 2 cups skim milk (around 950 calories)

9:30: PBJ sandwich (with sugar free jelly) and whey protein in i cup milk (2 scoops of whey)

Lunch Pasta with Lean beef. (more than 2 oz bro (atleast 6 oz).

2 and a half hours later 2 scoops whey, 1 cup oatmeal

Cytogainer shake in water.

Postworkout Dextrose, wheyshake

1 hour later. Pasta or rice (atleast 6 oz) with chicken or lean beef.

Casin shake, cottage cheese and almonds….

 

[Anthrax Invasion]

Wow, no one gives a fuck. Stop looking for attention and posting up this shit and actually DO IT you scrawny bastard. You have some sort've learning disability, don't you?

Do you need a hug?
Want a foot massage?
How about some ice cream?
You look so pretty today honey.


Now go

THE

FUCK

AWAY

 

[Protobuilder]

Let's see . . . .multiple cytogainer shakes . . . so about 30% of your diet is maltodextrin? Good choice. but at least you bought sugar free jelly. You're on your way my friend!!!

 

[Bonesaw]

Wow, no one gives a fuck. Stop looking for attention and posting up this shit and actually DO IT you scrawny bastard. You have some sort've learning disability, don't you?

Do you need a hug?
Want a foot massage?
How about some ice cream?
You look so pretty today honey.


Now go

THE

FUCK

AWAY

Amen. I have seen way too many of this clowns posts. I feel dumber just seeing his name. Man I have been bulking for six years!! Untill you have some nice size why cut?

 

[JKurz1]

Let's see . . . .multiple cytogainer shakes . . . so about 30% of your diet is maltodextrin? Good choice. but at least you bought sugar free jelly. You're on your way my friend!!!

cyto is complex carbs check ot the label....

 

[silver_shadow]

haha... what would EF be without the entertainment of jkurz posting something inane and AI pooping all over him

 

[Protobuilder]

cyto is complex carbs check ot the label....

8,800 posts and you're still a complete moron. Read the label dumbshit:

Ingredients: CytoCarb II (CytoSport's unique combination of branching as well as long linear chain maltodextrins with very low "DE" (Dextrose Equivalence) providing a complex carbohydrate source approximately 96.5% sugar-free),

Um, maltodextrin is a complex carb. It's almost always included in any kind of "gainer" product. it's the oldest trick in the book. Everybody likes "complex carbs." But maltodextrin is filler. It's crap except for "maybe" postworkout. So, again, your diet is comprised of mainly of sugar or its close cousin, maltodextrin.

 

[JKurz1]

providing a complex carbohydrate source approximately 96.5% sugar-free), CytoPro II (special ultrafiltered, non-denaturated, ultra high quality whey protein concentrate and pre-digested, ion-exchanged whey protein hydrosylate), Dutch processed, defatted cocoa powder, CytoVite I, vitamin and mineral premix consisting of (vitamin A acetate, cholecalciferol, d-alpha-tocopherol acetate, ascorbic acid, folate, thiamine monohydrate, riboflavin, niacinamide, pyridoxine HCL, cyanocobalamin, biotin, pantothenic acid, di-calcium phosphate, potassium iodide, electrolytic iron, magnesium oxide, copper gluconate, and zinc oxide), creatine monohydrate, cellulose gum, xanthan gum, lecithin, salt, natural and artificial flavors, potassium citrate, carageenan, chromium nicotinate, acesulfame potassium, sucralose.

 

[Protobuilder]

So where exactly are the "complex carbs" then? The ingredients are: whey, cocoa, vitamins, and some filler.

 

[Anthrax Invasion]

8,800 posts and you're still a complete moron. Read the label dumbshit:

You expected something to change?

 

[Ghede]

one: yes, the post is horse hockey.

two: maltodextrin is 100% pure complex carb, what the hell are you whining about? 'filler'?! what does THAT mean?! NOTHING! 'oldest trick in the book'"?!!? what does THAT mean?! What kind of pure complex carb source would you like to see in gainer? er.... THERE ISNT ANOTHER ONE! Invert Glucose Polymers? those are shit. Dextrose? might was well suck on a honey stick....

Maltodextrin is the real deal my man, sorry if thats a problem. Slow the absorbtion process with fiber, fat and /or proteins and its the PERFECT source of carbs, not 'the oldest trick in the book.'

sheesh, where does this stuff come from?!


I dont want to burst your bubble, holmes, but if you wanna kick the guy, kick him for shit that's kickable, like:

the fact that the vast majority of his food is DEAD, he will need a colostomy bag by the time he has figured out what to eat and what not to eat. almost all his calories are carb cals, and his protein sources are about as interesting as breathing in a warm room. His micronutrient breakdown SUCKS, he needs to add vitamin rich foods, not moistened cardboard like pasta and rice....

 

[JKurz1]

So whats the final thoughts on cytogainer as a whole?

 

[Ghede]

So whats the final thoughts on cytogainer as a whole?

that you should really take more time to go over and over and over and over and over your diet. you really havent dedicated nearly enough time to it. seriously. if you want to get it right, you need to actually stop sleeping entirely and just obsess about 24-7. When you DO decide to go with a diet plan, be sure NOT to stick with it long enough to know if it actually works or not, but rather, rethink it a few dozen more times and be sure to change it radically every couple of weeks so you never really know what works and what doesnt.

really. thats a solid plan. or not. wait. let me rethink that. no, wait, its solid... or not... hold on...

 

[JKurz1]

actually JG - that was a diet given to me by one of our fellow members that many have a great deal of repect for. I wanted to add it to my current diet, or maybe sub it in to get in more cals.....you've seen mine, where would you place it?

6 EGG WHITES
1/2 cup oats
1 CUP SKIM
1 SCOOP PRO COMPLEX---
JAM/JELLY SF

10AM
3/4 CUP OATS
2 SCOOPS PRO COMPLEX---
1TB OF ANPB


NOON
2OZ FLANK STEAK
4 OZ CHICKEN BREAST
4OZ COOKED WW PASTA
LARGE SALAD, VEGIES---


3:30PM
6 OZ CHICKEN OR TUNA
1/2 CUP COOKED RICE---


TRAIN 5:30,6PM - 7:15-730 (5 DAYS, 6 CARDIO)---

7:15
FAT FREE MUFFIN
2 SCOOPS WHEY
20G OF DEXTROSE


8:15
1/2 CUP OATS
2 SCOOP WHEY---

9:15
1 CUP COTTAGE CHEESE
20 almonds and peanuts
1 SCOOP CASEIN
1 CUP SKIM---

 

[alex2678]

I hate to see someone running around with his head chopped off confused for so long about diet and bodybuilding. You can't just eat eggs, red meat, whole milk, complex carbs and veggies every few hours throughout the day and lift heavy weights with a structured workout routine? It's really not meant to take this long to learn and there's not a whole lot of absolute rights and wrongs involved in the process.

 

[Anthrax Invasion]

I hate to see someone running around with his head chopped off confused for so long about diet and bodybuilding. You can't just eat eggs, red meat, whole milk, complex carbs and veggies every few hours throughout the day and lift heavy weights with a structured workout routine? It's really not meant to take this long to learn and there's not a whole lot of absolute rights and wrongs involved in the process.

Don't bother, Jkurz is a FUCKING moron. He will never learn. EVER. He is a waste.

Stop inhaling you stupid fuck.

 

[jpt]

LOL!! poor bastard! i do feel bad for him a little....i think he may be doing this just to get people pissed off at him...i can't believe someone is this dumb i'm sorry!

 

[JKurz1]

Xoxo

 

[Lifterforlife]

While it is true that maltodextrin is a "complex" carb, it is so only in "title".

A complex carbohydrate refers to many monosaccharide units linked together. In addition, you will often hear the terms “long”, and “short” carbohydrate chains. Short carbohydrate chains are those under 10 sugar molecules. And long chains are those over 10 sugar molecules.

It is an easily digested carbohydrate made from cornstarch. The starch is cooked, and then acid and/or enzymes are used to break the starch into smaller chains (3-20 chains in maltodextrin). These chains are composed of several dextrose molecules held together by very weak hydrogen bonds. These are very weak bonds and are easily broken down, so it is digested nearly as fast as dextrose.

 

[JKurz1]

junk then.......

 

[JKurz1]

While it is true that maltodextrin is a "complex" carb, it is so only in "title".

A complex carbohydrate refers to many monosaccharide units linked together. In addition, you will often hear the terms “long”, and “short” carbohydrate chains. Short carbohydrate chains are those under 10 sugar molecules. And long chains are those over 10 sugar molecules.

It is an easily digested carbohydrate made from cornstarch. The starch is cooked, and then acid and/or enzymes are used to break the starch into smaller chains (3-20 chains in maltodextrin). These chains are composed of several dextrose molecules held together by very weak hydrogen bonds. These are very weak bonds and are easily broken down, so it is digested nearly as fast as dextrose.

do you make your own?

 

[Lifterforlife]

do you make your own?

My own gainers? If this is the question, then yes.

Though malto is probably the only viable source of "complex" carb useable in a commercially made drink, it is still not the best for reasons noted in my prior post. It is complex really only in name. And therein lies the crux.

You can make your own in so many ways, for example the protein of your choice, milk, oats, pb, banana, and add some heavy cream for extra calories. You can tailor it to your needs, and have quality ingredients at the same time.