PROOF? You Decide.

[Tatyana]

Let me chime in here...

Nelson is correct, weight-training(done properly) is more effective for fat loss than cardio alone.

Cardio ONLY BURNS CALORIES WHILE YOU ARE DOING IT. Weight-training elevates the metabolism for 72 hours. Furthermore, muscle-mass increases the rate of calorie expidenture, so as you build muscle, you inevitably lose fat(if done peroperly)

However, for the serious bodybuilder trying to reach low single BF% digits without LOSING MUSCLE MASS(by restricting calories), LOW-INTENSITY CARDIO is absolutely necessary.

For me, that simply means 25 minutes of WALKING POST WORKOUT. Usually, on a slight incline at about 4 MPH. RUNNING is OFF LIMITS and is simply NOT part of the complex bodybuilding equation.

The ULTIMATE solution for fat-loss is a fully comprehensive program that includes weight-training and LOW-INTENSITY CARDIO.

Read that as competitive bodybuilder, which really doesn't apply to a lot of the peeps on this board.

I also request that all the bold claims about scientific FACTS are being stated when I assert:

- you do not have a scientific background, unclear about how to properly use the scientific method (therefore what is a legitmate bit of research or not)

- the research is conflicting

- there are genetic/biochemical/physiological variations in the human population that will NEVER have it be one way or the other. (see above point)

This is a gross oversimplification, but there are people who are 'fast' oxidisers and people who are 'slow' oxidisers.

There are enough people who are hostile towards science and the academic community, in particular, this is a trend in the US, and statements and marketing methods such as this contribute to it.

 

[ceo]

- there are genetic/biochemical/physiological variations in the human population that will NEVER have it be one way or the other. (see above point).

You mean there's no, "one size fits all" training and diet program????


lololo...thank you Tatyana. It seems some people here seem to forget that.

 

[Tatyana]

You mean there's no, "one size fits all" training and diet program????


lololo...thank you Tatyana. It seems some people here seem to forget that.

I do love 'rules of thumb', it is a good starting place, but bodybuilding is really a lot more like conducting an experiment on yourself.

Anyone with even a basic scientific education would know that the really interesting similarity/diversity of humans (we are all the same but we are different) would mean that one size does not fit all.

I could bring out papers supporting this (and explain it in a way that people would 'get it', not blind them with science) with things like the difference in the daily requirements for vitamins and minerals.

HUGE variation.

 

[nzrodney]

Dont know where this thread is going but in response to the original questions - If you get morning wood, you are not "Shut Down". Well thats my scientific analysis. LOL

 

[Nelson Montana]

Dont know where this thread is going but in response to the original questions - If you get morning wood, you are not "Shut Down". Well thats my scientific analysis. LOL

That's exactly one of the pleasant side effects of using UNLEASHED.

 

[mus1cjunk1e]

did they mention how the half life and net absorbed was impacted (i assume longer and less)..but never know?

I don't remember any specific numbers but I know they were HRT patients that went from IM injects to subq and their total/free test numbers basically stayed the same after the swap. So obviously it was getting into their blood. Sorry I can't remember more or find a link, it was a while ago.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I don't remember any specific numbers but I know they were HRT patients that went from IM injects to subq and their total/free test numbers basically stayed the same after the swap. So obviously it was getting into their blood. Sorry I can't remember more or find a link, it was a while ago.

I would never do subQ of oil, but it does prove that you only need a 1" pin.

 

[funkyfresh]

Have to say guys, this is a great post. I don't really write too much on these boards, but I'm always learning from these kind of debates.

Think Nelson, Ross, Tatyana..etc. have all brought some great points to this. Respect all you guys.

However I think the Tatyana has pretty much said it all.

Bodybuilding is really a lot more like conducting an experiment on yourself.

Anyone with even a basic scientific education would know that the really interesting similarity/diversity of humans (we are all the same but we are different) would mean that one size does not fit all.

This says it all....and to me that is exactly what I like so much about Bodybuilding. It's a constant learning curve.

 

[njmuscleguy]

Dont know where this thread is going but in response to the original questions - If you get morning wood, you are not "Shut Down". Well thats my scientific analysis. LOL

Not sure what the point you're trying to make? Do you mean if you get morning wood while on HRT that suggests you're not shut down? Or off HRT?

If you're on HRT, and your natural test production is shut down, you'll still get morning wood compliments of the exogenous test.

Conversely, if you don't get morning wood, and you're not on HRT.... that doesn't mean you're shut down necessarily....only that your natural test levels are likely low.

 

[mus1cjunk1e]

Not sure what the point you're trying to make? Do you mean if you get morning wood while on HRT that suggests you're not shut down? Or off HRT?

If you're on HRT, and your natural test production is shut down, you'll still get morning wood compliments of the exogenous test.

Conversely, if you don't get morning wood, and you're not on HRT.... that doesn't mean you're shut down necessarily....only that your natural test levels are likely low.

Damn I haven't gotten morning wood very often for years, even before cycling. That's probably bad as I'm only 22. I had a long period of very high stress about 2 years ago tho and it def killed my sex drive during that time. I don't think I've ever been the same after that. I think when I fully recover from my cycle I'm going to go get my test levels checked and see where I stand. I would hate to be an HRT patient at 22.

Interestingly enough the only time recently that I did get strong morning wood when I was on a low dose test/tren/mast cycle and took unleashed for a couple days. I guess that says something about it.