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here's something I was reading today that has to do with your post on Jay Gibsons board the other day. I copied only the sq/dl section:

THE SQUAT/DEADLIFT
Almost every time a squat article is written, it concludes with assistance work for the legs such as leg press, leg extensions, and leg curls. With the exception of non-machine leg curls, the foundation work is all wrong. When you miss a squat, it is due to the lower back giving out. This was brought to my attention by Bill Starr in an article in MILO.
If you overdevelop the quads, you are very likely to go forward when squatting. This can cause two problems: (1) knee pain from over stretching the patella tendon: (2) difficulty breaking parallel. If you go forward, hypothetically your knees would touch the floor and your hip joint would still be above parallel.
As far as leg curls are concerned they are adequate but not nearly as effective as glute/ham raises. A leg curl will activate the lower insertion that that ties in behind the knee and then the knee and then the attachment that ties into the glute. Because squatting is a multi joint activity, the hamstring contracts and stretches while ascending and descending, respectively, at both the hip and knee. That is why the glute/ ham raise was developed. It is ben­eficial for both squatting and pulling. Kenny Patterson recently pulled a 650 dead­lift, a 65-pound PR. It took only about 12 weeks of concentrated work on the gluts/ham raise. The Soviets used it for sprinting, and Fred Hatfield said it contributed to his 1000-pound squat. Matt Dimel used glute/ham raises, as well, for his 1010 squat.
So what is the correct founda­tional work for squatting? Ham­string work plays a large role, as stated above. We do as many different types of good mornings as possible. All work the hamstrings very hard with the exception of the seated variety. Of course, a good morning is a compound exercise that also works the spinal erectors and glutes, to a greater degree than squatting
Here are three of our favorite exercises for the hamstring. The Reverse Hyper machine is tremendous for the hamstrings. It outperforms the Romanian deadlift almost 2 to 1 on an EMG machine. Glute/ ham raises are great. Someone at Westside is always doing them. You have to be fairly strong to do one. Pull trough's are effective, where you use a low pulley machine with
a single crossover handle, face away from the machine, grasp the handle between the legs, and walk out a few feet; let the machine pull the handle between your legs and squat up and down. It will blow up your hamstrings. All three exercises work the glutes as well.
For the back: back raises, good mornings, reverse hyperextensions, and a variety of special squats (Safety Squat bar, Manta Ray, front squat) will greatly increase back strength. Many of these squats as well as good mornings can be done with chains, bands, or Weight Release devices. Using a Manta Ray, Safety Squat bar, or front squat harness changes the length between the lower back and the center of the bar, lengthening it, thus forcing the spinal erectors to be worked harder than ever.
Because most of the muscles that squat also dead lift, our max effort day for squatting and dead lifting is the same day. Thus, we al­ways add lat work on this day. Lat work and shrugs are done next to last. For lat pull-downs, we switch bars and grips quite often, always hitting the lats from different angles. Rowing should be done as well. We do chest-supported rows most often, one-arm rows occasionally, and barbell rows sparingly. Barbell and dumbbell shrugs are done; these also assist the bench press.
We do a lot of dragging of sleds. This will build tremendous hip and glute strength. We drag 200 feet at a time, which constitutes a set. Do 6 sets with weight that does not cause you to lean forward too much. If possible, do them the day after squat and deadlift day; this is active rest, which works as restoration and also raises work capacity. Kneeling squats also build the hips very well.
When it comes to squatting and deadlifting, the abs play a tremendous role. Some at Westside work their abs every day. I don’t recommend crunches; they are mostly a waste. When you are squatting or deadlifting, your abs work while you are straightening your legs. That is why you should do lots of leg raises. Start with your legs bent and gradually­ work into straight-leg raises. Also do a lot of side bends; your obliques do most of the work because of how they attach to the hip and back. Static ab work is impor­tant too. Learn how to push out and hold the abs against the belt for the duration of a lift. For situps and leg raises, we often use chains and bands.
Zercher squats work the abs. Hold the bar in the crook of your arms with your hands against your chest. Squat while forcing out and expanding your abs.
If you are always worsted about your waistline, you are in the wrong sport. A strong waistline is big and powerful, like any other muscle group.
Remember, after a core exercise, such as a squat, bench, deadlift, or good morning, do 3 or 4 special exercises that pertain to that lift. By choosing correctly not only will you become stronger but your form will be far better.
Muscle groups such as the pecks, quads, biceps, and all other “showy”, muscles develop easily. It’s the hips, lower back, hamstrings, and glutes that no one seems to look at that do all the work. Pay most of the attention to the functional muscles and not the “showy” ones.
If you want to build a tremendous future, you have to build a solid foundation.

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Great Info!

1 dawg that was a good new article. I have been wanting to hear someting i havent heard before , or something that makes me go ..um..i never thought of that. That article made me realize something i knew but didnt knwo was the cause of more then a few problems. My lower back. I never thought of my quads be over developed in relation to strength of my lower back.

I also need to put more into abs. Or should i say do them cause i do not. It seems as though my and everyones priority should be low back , glute, and hams. I mean i am workin on it, ask jimmie dean but i need to hit abs as well.

I like what he said about a powerful wasitline. It should be thick and strong. Mine is strong considering. But i never do them. And notice on heavy squats even when i come up my low back is the last thing to come up.

Thanks 1 dawg for taking the time to put that up for me. Also how many times a week do you , and all of you do Abs?

I gonna bump this for a day or 2 i want everyone to read it. Louie has spoken, we must listen!
 
I couldnt agree more about the lower back. I hate to have first hand knowledge of this but last week I injured my lowerback squatting. I will not be able to lift until I get an MRI and see how serious it is. I think my lower back was just too fucking weak. My torso just twisted a little and my back had a burning sensation and I hit the floor as soon as I racked the weight. I was bed ridden for almost 72 hours. I had to be taken out of the gym in on a back board and in the Rescue Squad. The reason I think my lower back is weak besides the obvious injury is because I have big ass quads, they are like 32 inches. Not that size always equals strength but a few weeks ago I squatted 475 for a single and I have only been back squatting for about three months. I stopped them for a long time then got back into powerlifting. I hate to be a pussy but I am never squatting again. Its not worth the pain to me. I may have just torn a muscle but its very possible that I fucked up a disc. I am either going to concentrate soley on bench press or Im going back to bodybuilding. Oh well I just wanted to speak up about how important that I think lower back is when squatting. Be careful with your back though guys. For those of you whom have never hurt your backs you have no idea what pain is. Its not like a blown out shoulder or anything like that.
 
The article is called Foundational Training and is worth looking up to read the part on bench too. Always great information and should be required reading for anyone who's just starting out lifting weights. Whether bb or pl. Once you build a strong base you can do anything with it.
 
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