Overtraining for newbies is really bs

[blood_drinker]

Face it - newbies dont know how to train. So when you feed them shit like do not go over 6-8 sets for bis , they dont train em at all. Ever see women at the gym? Up and down , and even if they do really train, the can always squeeze out 3 more reps.

The more you train, the better you get at it, and the better you can squeeze out your last drop of sweat to get that last inch up. How many of you wish you would still gain like a begginner did? I sure do. See, the more you train, the better you get at it. If i had the knowledge i had know back then, i would have better gains. But its all a path of knowledge really, as is everything in life.

So bring up overtraining but for many ppl , that is kind of an excuse to not work as hard. 6-8 sets poorly done merely equals 3. So when bringing up overtraining, never forget to bring up intensity. Too many ppl preach about overtraining, and many of em dont even take their own advice or train properly themselves .

Of course, overtraining is not a myth - but for newbies, I think it is a sensitive topic and should be brought up tactfully and completely, otherwise you might ruin their lifting jump start - especially for lady like boys that want to be on the fast lane with a cheap car (spanish saying).

This is just something I noticed - wanted to bring it up.
What are your views

 

[sysopt]

When people refer to overtraining, they are usually talking about excess volume. Newbies should be informed about this because most think that the more you do in the gym, the bigger you're gonna get. Also, by keeping the volume in check, they are much less likely to burn out. How many people do you see that are really gung ho and excited when they first get started and then quit three weeks later?.....Therefore it is important for newbies to know about overtraining. Nonetheless, they sould also be informed about the proper intensity. You don't need high volume to have high intensity.

 

[Enock]

I've never had a problem growing off of excess volume. I really havn't found it to hurt growth any. I'm 19 so I havn't any age factors limiting my recovery though. Excessive volume may not help but at a young age in most people I don't see it hurting any.

When I think of overtraining I'm more concerned with not enough recouporation time between muscle group training not excessive volume to me thats more important a factor.

That where they fuck up back doing chest 2 days after they last hammered it.

Just to make note I don't use eccessive volume myself.
If I can't push the big weights anymore I just don't feel like there much point in training the muscle any further at the same time I don't believe it makes it anyworse. I tend to increase volume during cutting, for the extra calories burned even if it is harder to recoup when cutting.

 

[FitnessFrk]

blood_drinker...I could not agree with that statement anymore !newbies DO NOT KNOW how to train, plan and simple. it takes years of training wrong to know the difference.

 

[barnes3]

It is important to stress both the overtraining and the rest period. Because I know that when I first started out in high school I had a hard time knowing when I had overtrained them, and when I had trained them enough. I also had a hard time knowing the period for my muscles to recover. Everyone is different on the amount of sets that it takes to get the correct/good pump or workout on a muscle group. It all depends on how the person throws (metaphorically speaking) the weight around. On that subject everyone has a different opinion. A person should take the first year or so to find their limitation on how they should work their body, and how they should recover their body. Everyone grows differently... at different speed/intervals/strength/etc...

But if a person is new to the sport and are serious about it, then they should take the time to see a good personal trainer to help them and they should not be stubborn on the fact that they do not know what they are getting into and that they should seek help. People are only stupid when they don't seek help on stuff they do not know too much about, they are not stupid for asking questions on how to improve themselves in lifting.

Another thing that is important that should be stressed is technique.

Those are just my thoughts on everything...

barnes3

 

[gymtime]

In general I agree with you. I think it's a very rare instance where a newbie has to be told that he or she is doing too much volume. If I were a trainer, this is probably not information that I'd share with a new client unless that client was getting carried away too soon. And how many times would that happen?

 

[barnes3]

In general I agree with you. I think it's a very rare instance where a newbie has to be told that he or she is doing too much volume. If I were a trainer, this is probably not information that I'd share with a new client unless that client was getting carried away too soon. And how many times would that happen?

That is where I believe a trainer would mess up. If the client was not seeing results due to the trainer not informing him of errors then the client would get up set and discourage an quit everything all together because he/she was not getting anywhere. Trainers are suppose to be there and help a client, not sit back and watch his client mess himself up, like alot of trainers do these days because they are worried about meeting their daily quota, and losing money because a client wants to quit. Of course that is why some places have contracts, and even at those places the trainers still do not pay attention to their clients like they should. Ya' know??

barnes3

 

[gymtime]

That is where I believe a trainer would mess up. If the client was not seeing results due to the trainer not informing him of errors then the client would get up set and discourage an quit everything all together because he/she was not getting anywhere. Trainers are suppose to be there and help a client, not sit back and watch his client mess himself up, like alot of trainers do these days because they are worried about meeting their daily quota, and losing money because a client wants to quit. Of course that is why some places have contracts, and even at those places the trainers still do not pay attention to their clients like they should. Ya' know??

barnes3

No one here is suggesting any of the following:

a) that trainers not inform clients of errors
b) that trainers not help their clients
c) that trainers should "sit back and watch his client mess himself up"

We are talking about one aspect of training out of a thousand or more. Don't make it more than it is. Further, no one is suggesting that if a new client is in fact overtraining, a trainer should not inform him of this. The point is that it would be a very rare instance where a person new to lifting would be at risk of overtraining.

 

[Blood&Iron]

So when you feed them shit like do not go over 6-8 sets for bis , they dont train em at all. Ever

I don't think I've ever seen a new male trainee not train bis. Usually, its the opposite. Go to almost any gym and you'll see the high-school kids doing 20 sets of curls, maybe some bench pressing and jack shit for any other muscle group. Eventually you end up with the guys that have huge upper-bodies and little twig legs. If nothing else, it gives me a good laugh.

As for the rest I don't think overtraining is ever a bad idea to introduce to people. Most people don't listen anyways, so what does it matter? At least it exposes them to the idea that more is not necessarily better.

 

[Love Bone]

Back when I played football, the strength coach had us working out three times per week but everyone was satying pretty even. Since I began training intense once per week the gains are incredible. There has not been a workout go by all year where I did not get one more rep or add some weight. So the overtraining issue is important to know. Also, newbies tend to quit if they overtrain before their bodies are adjusted to the routine. The first recovery burn where they cannot move will usually lead them to quit. But you are correct by saying most newbies do not workout properly and it may give them an excuse to dog it, amounting to a waste of time and money.