Once a week frequency? Why?

[b fold the truth]

There are trainees from all levels of experience. HST has a top level german bodybuilder supporting it, but you have to consider that HST hasn't been around for a long time. DC has trained regular joes as well as [I believe] high level amateurs, not sure about pros. But does it matter? You have to have the genetics to be a pro.

Ok...I just disagree with it. You say 'you have to have the genetics to be a pro'...then that puts a lot of demphasis on the training program. I just really do not know ANY bodybuilders who completely train this way. From what I am seeing...it has worked for a select few (under DC's trained eye) but I don't see the top level bodybuilders or even the top level amateur bodybuilders using this method. That alone speaks volumes to me.

I can see the benefit of doing a routine like this for 1-2 weeks...maybe 2-3x per year. I just don't see the point of doing it for ANY extended period of time (more than 2 weeks). I can also see some benefit for the beginner...but I also see nearly as much negatives about the beginner using this type of routine...

B True

 

[Becoming]

So I am guessing I am not getting any more info on this as an application for my type of training.....

 

[pwr_machine]

I can also see some benefit for the beginner...
B True

I agree. You could give a beginner a stick to work out with and the exercises would make them grow! It's a whole new ball game when you're an elite athlete.

 

[b fold the truth]

Bfold- Thanks for chiming in on this.... I would like to hear your thoughts, is any of this applicable to people who are interested more in strength/performance, and what if they have been training a number of years/at fairly high levels of performance already?

I don't know any top level strength athletes who train this way either...

B True

 

[louden_swain]

Ok...I just disagree with it. You say 'you have to have the genetics to be a pro'...then that puts a lot of demphasis on the training program. I just really do not know ANY bodybuilders who completely train this way. From what I am seeing...it has worked for a select few (under DC's trained eye) but I don't see the top level bodybuilders or even the top level amateur bodybuilders using this method. That alone speaks volumes to me.

I can see the benefit of doing a routine like this for 1-2 weeks...maybe 2-3x per year. I just don't see the point of doing it for ANY extended period of time (more than 2 weeks). I can also see some benefit for the beginner...but I also see nearly as much negatives about the beginner using this type of routine...

B True

The question is. . .have you tried this method?

If not, I see no room to talk (not starting a war).

Thats the problem. . .people are skeptical, but they have never tried the program. They are unwilling to give the program a chance. I was skeptical, but I read through the methods and they made sense to me.

Most pro bodybuilders are probably unfamiliar with this type of training. DC has worked with a few amateur and pro bodybuilders. . .ask him yourself.

Remember Dorian Yates?? He followed a similar program.

Mentzer was also a believer in a low volume program.

 

[pwr_machine]

a believer in a low volume program.

It makes more sense to me to take training in a step approach, beginnning with high volume/low intensity and progressing to low volume/high intensity over many weeks. That's purely from a strength training prospective, but increasing strength, in turn, increases muscle growth.

 

[b fold the truth]

My points are not going to be taken...so I'll leave this thread right where it is...without my views. I've said my opinion and I think that they are pretty on target and that I have made a VERY good point.

I'll let it be.

B True

 

[Debaser]

Ok...I just disagree with it. You say 'you have to have the genetics to be a pro'...then that puts a lot of demphasis on the training program. I just really do not know ANY bodybuilders who completely train this way. From what I am seeing...it has worked for a select few (under DC's trained eye) but I don't see the top level bodybuilders or even the top level amateur bodybuilders using this method. That alone speaks volumes to me.

I can see the benefit of doing a routine like this for 1-2 weeks...maybe 2-3x per year. I just don't see the point of doing it for ANY extended period of time (more than 2 weeks). I can also see some benefit for the beginner...but I also see nearly as much negatives about the beginner using this type of routine...

B True

You don't know bodybuilders that train this way because they don't even know about it themselves. I say "HST" or "DC" to the big guys at my gym and they usually go "huh?". That's okay though, many DC trainees talk about how they love to watch themselves make leaps and bounds over the other guys in their gym, who progress slowly or remain stagnant for long periods of time, and are also closed minded to other training methods.

Come on, the 4 or 5 day split is perpetuated by muscle magazines. Ya know, the ones that are supplement catalogs in disguise? Many pros do train this way, but they disguise the fact that they use steroids and have awesome genetics. So when Joe Average pics up the magazine, he thinks it is the supplements that are responsible, when in fact 98% of them are worthless.

 

[louden_swain]

It makes more sense to me to take training in a step approach, beginnning with high volume/low intensity and progressing to low volume/high intensity over many weeks. That's purely from a strength training prospective, but increasing strength, in turn, increases muscle growth.

pwr_machine,

This would be an excellent journal article for you to write!!

High Volume vs. Low Volume Training

Get 30 test subjects (experienced with training)

15 high volume trainers
15 low volume trainers

- Abstract -

1. Introduction
2. Literature Review
3. Methods
4. Discussion and Results
5. Conclusion

Actually, this would be a good dissertation .

 

[Becoming]

Louden and Debaser- Like I said, it does seem to make sense to me... I do agree with all the theories

BFold- Too bad you are not going to contribute, if there are any other performance type people out there, I would like to hear your comments...

But yeah, I have heard that this type of training does not work for athletes though I agree with Pwr-machine, that if one increases strength/mass should follow and vice-versa....