Once a week frequency? Why?

[louden_swain]

Originally posted by latinus_spicticus

Hey bro with all your ten years of experience do you have something productive to add to this thread other then bagging DC training? Throwing around terms like "that is retarded" "that is stupid" with not a single freaking piece of data to back yourself up makes you look retarded and stupid. And the fact that you have been training for 10yrs does little to establish your credibility with us. I have been training for almost just as long that doesnt make me anymore qualified. And for the record I am not on DC training, nor do I train to failure in my lifting. So Im not just trying to "stick up for my routine" I just hate it when people bag other methods without contributing anything useful

I don't know what his deal is. . . .

First off, he has never tried the program.
Secondly, he hasn't read any of the articles
Third, he can't back up anything
Fourth, All he can do is bash and show disrespect.

 

[louden_swain]

I don't know what his deal is. . . .

First off, he has never tried the program.
Secondly, he hasn't read any of the articles
Third, he hasn't looked at any of the members training journals. . .he refuses.
Fourth, he can't back up anything
and Fifth, All he can do is bash and show disrespect.

 

[wildonsquats]

My 2 cents...

Everyone will react differently to set methods of training.
And so people will follow different methods to get where they want to be. People train for different reasons ie. powerlifting vs bodybuilding vs strength training for specific sports.

Although many of the programs that are discussed here are approaching the so-called "best" muscle building program, there is always some improvement to be done.

We must acknowledge that we have learned a few things like how important proper diet, supplements and even steroids affect how we preform and recover and how this is incorporated into our workouts.

Maybe someday there will be a computer that can just scan us and tell us what to do.

Until then, follow what program you like, keep an open mind, and if hey, the weights are going up every week. You must be doing something right = )

 

[Debaser]

I've been training for over ten years. I know what I am speaking of. You cannot prove that performing one set to failure is better than using the same weight and doing 5x5. You simply read doggcrap's crap and take it as gospel. One set to failure training is probably the worst training protocol ever thought of. If you go to failure at every workout, you extend your recovery time and end up burning your CNS out. HIT is shit. I don't need to see your routines to further my disapproval of your methods.

You point of not needing 5 sets to break down muscle tissue is retarded. It is unproven, and only tested on yourself and a handful of others. I never said 5 sets were required to break down muscle tissue-- I said it is a better way to train than 1 set to failure. I am sure 1 or 2 sets will "break down muscle tissue", but that does not mean it is optimal for strength and muscle gain. Going to failure all of the time on every exercise will overtrain anyone in a short time. BTW, I don't profess the 5x5 system to be the best method, either. There are a lot of training systems that work to build mass and power/strength. The 1 or 2 sets to failure method is the shittiest of them all, however.

That's okay. You grow once a week. I'll go ahead and grow at least twice as fast. I have no problem with people that are that stubborn. If they want to grow at a snail's pace, that's their perogative.

 

[pwr_machine]

That's okay. You grow once a week. I'll go ahead and grow at least twice as fast. I have no problem with people that are that stubborn. If they want to grow at a snail's pace, that's their perogative.

Latinus_spicticus and Debaser should compare stats. Who's really growing faster?

 

[b fold the truth]

That's okay. You grow once a week. I'll go ahead and grow at least twice as fast. I have no problem with people that are that stubborn. If they want to grow at a snail's pace, that's their perogative.

I hope that you are not extending this comment to EVERYONE who highly disagrees with the DC/HIT methods. Feel free to compare yourself with me and the gains that I have made.

I do believe that 'latinus_spicticus' has gone the wrong route in expressing his opinions but his opinions are correct (for the most part anyway) as far as I am concerned.

I'm confused how a 'discussion' thread can be started and anyone who does not agree with the discussion gets flamed...

B True

 

[b fold the truth]

Because 5x5 w/ 225 = 25 reps with 225. That totals 5625 lbs moved. 1x8-9 w/225 = 1800-2025 total lbs. moved. Additionally, you can exert more force when doing more sets of fewer reps while not going to failure than by doing one or two sets to failure. Think about it. Your first few reps of your sets, you are exerting much more than 225 lbs-- the weight goes up much faster on the first few reps than it does on the last few. Therefore, in addition to moving over twice the total weight per workout (which will undoubtedly lead to greater muscle growth), you are exerting more force per rep, which increases muscle tension and power, which also leads to greater muscle growth.

If that is too complex for you to comprehend, just look at it this way-- why would 9 reps with 225 per workout lead to greater growth or strength than 25 reps with 225 per workout? Doesn't it make sense that someone who lifts nearly 2.5 times the amount of weight (5000+lbs) would be stronger and bigger than the other (2000lbs)?

There is A LOT of scientific truth to this. I believe that Louis Simmons discusses this and the reason why periodization is not effective when people start decreasing reps and increaing weight (or something to that nature) when getting ready for a strength conest. The amount of weights lifted per week/workout are greatly decreased and people peak way too soon for the contest. They tend to peak 2-3 weeks early for a contest because of the periodization.

I really think that people need to read the comments posted by IronLion, myself, CCJ, and latinus_spicticus.

B True

 

[sk*]

That's okay. You grow once a week. I'll go ahead and grow at least twice as fast. I have no problem with people that are that stubborn. If they want to grow at a snail's pace, that's their perogative.

Hey man,

DC's method is pretty good as I have tried it with good results. I believe WSB is better for the strength athlete though, as I have been having even better results lately on something similar to WSB.

Perhaps WSB isn't the best for the bodybuilder though. This is hard for me to judge now, but I will within two more months.

Just saying to keep an open mind. Those statements you make are nice, but I have heard them from the first day that DC made his post on animal's board. Don't take it as godpel, and have a more open mind.

I believe you have been training for only 1 year, and as we both know you couldn't have possibly tried all possible training methodsl. So instead of telling us the theory of it all, over and over, kust keep a more open mind and realize that there is a possibility that DC didn't take into account everything.


BTW latinus_spicticus,

You are being very arrogant by making such statements when you haven't tried the methods, but SO MANY people have good results with them.

-sk

 

[pwr_machine]

There is A LOT of scientific truth to this. I believe that Louis Simmons discusses this and the reason why periodization is not effective when people start decreasing reps and increaing weight (or something to that nature) when getting ready for a strength conest. The amount of weights lifted per week/workout are greatly decreased and people peak way too soon for the contest. They tend to peak 2-3 weeks early for a contest because of the periodization.
B True

But, to date, some form of periodization is proven time and time again to be the best method of training for strength. Nonetheless, I agree that alot of lifters peak much too early for a contest. It takes tons of thoughtful experience to figure out what works best for you as the individual.

 

[pwr_machine]

I hope that you are not extending this comment to EVERYONE who highly disagrees with the DC/HIT methods. Feel free to compare yourself with me and the gains that I have made.

I'm confused how a 'discussion' thread can be started and anyone who does not agree with the discussion gets flamed...

B True

Definately some good points said here!