olympic lifting benefits?

[coolcolj]

Who said anything about full Olympic Lifts where you catch the bar in the full squat position?
We are talking about lighter, and faster Hybrids where you catch the bar in a more upright position.

Well to move a 300-400+lbs bar that fast requires a heck a lot of strength. I've seen Olympic Lifters under 200lbs front squat ass to floor with 700-800lbs+ in a controlled descent. If that doesn't require a frigging strong set of legs, upper body and core I don't know what does. Heck not too many powerlifters could squat that to parallel using a ultra wide stance with the bar on their upper mid back ...while weighing under 200lbs...

That is one reason why some powerlifters make the tranisition to Olympic Lifting because they have built up a foundation of strength. You can't have power without strength, but you can have strength without power though.
For the same reason I have read about quite a few Olympic Lifters being able to deadlift 800+lbs because of their extensive explosive pulling from their Olympic Lifting Days. Explosive pulling always recruits fast twitch fibres - what better way to gain strength without killing yourself with heavy weights. If you can pull 405lbs explosively up to your chest, you can easily deadlift twice that slowly.
I can vouch for that from my own experience.

At least the Westside system acknowledges that aspect pretty well - speed builds power which then builds strength. Olympic lifts = fastest lifts.

 

[endpoint]

Amen DB! OL is for guys who can't hack it anywhere else. It's all in the execution, no real strength there.

so i take it if you learnt how to execute the lifts, you would be number one in the world?

or maybe you are the best OL in the world....but it got boring and too easy.

i understand, its an easy sport

 

[endpoint]

I'm a powerlifter for one, and train with some ex OL'er, and the execution of the lifts is very hard on your joints,Paul lifted in everything including OL and he was the best at PL and OL, why do you think he could only Pl after OL? Shane Hammond was very good and then went to OL , and if you want to mention Mark Henry was through the roof at PL(900+dl) and he placed 16th at the Olympics. I will say it would be 'fun' to represent my country and sport but it's a competition not a game. Everyone in PL or BB can come back from injury but when have you seen someone come back in OL without being the exception? It's also OL fault for not promoting itself better, their still living off of Anderson and sticking with outdated training in the U.S.. And finally I'll post my numbers after the nationals in november, I bet I'll be easily within 100lbs of the top ten EVER in my weight class on my total, and this is my second nationals.

From what i understand with paul, was that he gave up OL because he was the best and got sick of breaking his own records again and again.(i will check up on that)

yes OL is badly promoted. and from what i read the US still have a negative attitude about "were always gonna be second best to the soviets".
From the training i have read about in the US they dont train as often as the bulgarians or russians.

what weight class are you in DB? what federation? if you dont mind what are your openers?

just a note....anything is hard on your joints....if you do it wrong.

why do you even mention BB? Its not even in the same league as powerlifting or Olifting

 

[coolcolj]

And lets not forget the most powerful and explosive people in the world are throwers. Who combine powerlifting style limit strength with explosive olympic lifts in their training, while being able to propel their bodies very well despite being quite large and heavy!

Most of these guys sport 9+ feet standing long jumps and vertical jumps over 30 inches. And they are big strong people too! Some of their training poundages are right up there with the best in the world, even the woman are freaky strong and explosive.

They tend to use hybrid olympic lifts from the hang


That is pretty much how I model my own training - along the lines of the throwers.

 

[strongerthanall]

endpoint....

I was just screwing around. Thought I would stir things up a bit. Sorry if I offended anyone. I have respect for all strength athletes not to mention athletes in general. OL is some crazy shit. I tried it and didn't care for it. I'm too big(I'm not bragging) and not that flexible. My hat is off to OL'ers.

 

[endpoint]

Re: endpoint....

I was just screwing around. Thought I would stir things up a bit. Sorry if I offended anyone. I have respect for all strength athletes not to mention athletes in general. OL is some crazy shit. I tried it and didn't care for it. I'm too big(I'm not bragging) and not that flexible. My hat is off to OL'ers.

I was hoping that you were joking.
no one who lifted weights could be that ignorant.

I have trouble with my size as well. (namely biceps getting in the way of front squats) Flexablilty is my major concern....slowly but surely im getting there.

thanks for sorting that out

 

[mekannik]

http://www.usatf.org/athletes/bios/McEwen_John.shtml

http://www.trackprofile.com/photos/j_mcewen01.JPG


Friend of mine from the gym - Taught me how to do the Snatch and Power Clean.

John's lifts (this summer): Snatch #350, Front Squat #400+
Back when he did bench - 500+, Back Squat over #800.


His simple quote to me at the beginning of the summer - "Olympic lifts will change your life." Damn straight they have - my traps, back, and bi's are growing - with my shoulders being the most stable they've been in years.

BTW - this summer he got up to #280 body weight - with a 30" vertical.

And in case the argument of muscle size comes up - he sports 30" quads.


Olympic lifters not strong? are you crazy?

 

[b fold the truth]

Read this thread today...funny. I know TOO MANY people in this thread for it NOT to be...lol

B True

 

[brian747478`]

isn't that the truth, i think i know what u mean. b, i have a tourney you need to sign up for, invitation only

 

[b fold the truth]

isn't that the truth, i think i know what u mean. b, i have a tourney you need to sign up for, invitation only

If they ONLY knew!!! Wish I still had that flyer laying around here...lol

B True