My new theory about dieting and how fat loss happens

[Tom Treutlein]

Slowing down the release isn't stopping.

 

[VictorBR]

Slowing down the release isn't stopping.

>>>> slow down the release , means it will maintain steady levels of insulin in the blood instead of having too much secretion at one time , this is what we are trying to avoid . Too much release , and too fast , this is what can stop you from losing fat . If you eat fiber and healthy fats , you will release LESS insulin AND it will be be slowly . This is perfectly fine for someone trying to lose fat , not a problem at all .

Do I really need to say that I went from 27 % body fat to 8 % in the past ( now , I am currently at 14 % ) and I was eating no LESS than 200 g carbs per day ?

God damn , when is that people will realize that CARBS are not the EVIL ? Ask themachine1 in the AAS boards , he is an endomorph and he is 5 % bodyfat and his carbs intake range ALWAYS between 150 -300 g a day .

It is all about the CALORIC DEFICIT - You can eat 900 g carbs a day and if you stay on caloric DEFICIT YOU WILL LOSE BODYFAT . PERIOD .


Victor

 

[blz]

>>>> slow down the release , means it will maintain steady levels of insulin in the blood instead of having too much secretion at one time , this is what we are trying to avoid . Too much release , and too fast , this is what can stop you from losing fat . If you eat fiber and healthy fats , you will release LESS insulin AND it will be be slowly . This is perfectly fine for someone trying to lose fat , not a problem at all .

Do I really need to say that I went from 27 % body fat to 8 % in the past ( now , I am currently at 14 % ) and I was eating no LESS than 200 g carbs per day ?

God damn , when is that people will realize that CARBS are not the EVIL ? Ask themachine1 in the AAS boards , he is an endomorph and he is 5 % bodyfat and his carbs intake range ALWAYS between 150 -300 g a day .

It is all about the CALORIC DEFICIT - You can eat 900 g carbs a day and if you stay on caloric DEFICIT YOU WILL LOSE BODYFAT . PERIOD .

You never mentioned any indication of what types of carbs/fats/proteins you would be utilizing in this diet. The only thing you stressed was "CALORIC DEFICIT - CALORIES IN VS. CALORIES OUT" That line no way implies that you're eating healthy carbs,fats, proteins. Of course it will be a lot better if you could slow the release, but you're main premise is that ALL you need is a caloric deficit to lose fat, which is not fully true.

 

[VictorBR]

"You never mentioned any indication of what types of carbs/fats/proteins you would be utilizing in this diet. The only thing you stressed was "CALORIC DEFICIT - CALORIES IN VS. CALORIES OUT" That line no way implies that you're eating healthy carbs,fats, proteins. Of course it will be a lot better if you could slow the release, but you're main premise is that ALL you need is a caloric deficit to lose fat, which is not fully true. "


>>>> You falied to see the point . My main premise is not to eat junk FOOD . My main premise is not JUST CALS IN VS CALS OUT .

I will REPEAT - My main premise is to eat a HIGH PROTEIN DIET AND STAY ON CALORIC DEFICIT . You can choose to eat high carbs , low carbs , moderate carbs , high fat , low fat, moderate fat , it doesn't MATTER as long as your protein intake is high and you stay on caloric deficit ....... ALL OF THIS COMBINATIONS WILL work as long as you keep the protein high AND stay on caloric deficit .

Maybe a person who eats the right type of carbs , and the right type of fats would lose a lil bit more fat than the one eating bad carbs and bad fats .

BUT MY POINT IS , if you want to eat chocolate cake all day long with terrible saturated fats like butter YOU WILL STILL LOSE FAT as long as you stay on caloric deficit .

That is what I am trying to say . Got it now ?

Victor

 

[Slyder190]

Ok , I have been experimenting with diet for a long time now ...

And as of now I am trying a diet that may confirm my new theory .

Ok , so here it is :

F*** THE CARBS AND FAT WHEN CUTTING . KEEP your PROTEIN HIGH and don't worry about fat and carbs . WORRY about staying on caloric deficit .

Why ? because IT's GOTTA BE all about cals in vs cals out . I say keep the protein high because this will preserve your muscle mass . We want to lose FAT not muscle .

So , find your DAMN BMR - Don't fool yourself , this can be VERY hard ( yes, it can be , because no pre formulated formula is 100 % acurate , you actually gotta experiment with cals to see what is your BMR ) so , you gotta do it , you gotta know your metabolism and how it works and then determine how many cals you need to eat to maintain your weight . Once you do that , it starts .

Ok, let's see one basic example :

My BMR is 2.500 cals . So by eating 2.500 cals and not exercising at all I will maintain my weight .

Now let's say I hit the gym hard and lose 1.000 cals on the gym . Oh and BTW - to lose 1.000 cals on the gym can be a VERY HARD THING TO DO .

So ok :

2.500 - 1.000 = 1.500 cals ( 1.000 cals deficit - lose weight/fat )

Now if I eat 3.500 cals and lose 1.000 on the gym :

3.500 - 1.000 = 2.500 cals ( no deficit , maintain weight )

Now , if I eat 4.500 cals and lose 1.000 on the gym :

4.500 - 1.000 = 3.500 cals ( 1.000 cals more than my BMR , gain weight

So , when cutting does it really matter if you are eating a high fat , low carb , high protein diet ? or a HIGH carb , low fat, high protein diet ? No , it doesn't matter as long as you keep your protein high , the other macronutrients shouldn't matter as long as you stay on caloric deficit .

SO , I think that as long as you stay on caloric defict you will lose fat .

I am an endo- mesomorph ( more endo than meso ) and I am currently trying a HIGH protein , moderate - high carbs , low fat diet . My BMR is 2.500 cals . I am trying this diet without any gear or drugs and if it works , it will be a proof that an endomorph doesn't need to cut the carbs to lose fat , or actually my theory will confirm that to lose fat it doesn't matter as long as you keep your protein high and stay on caloric deficit , these will be the rules .

I am eating 2.400 cals and shooting to lose 1.000 cals on the gym ED ( very intense lifting ( 1 minute rest between sets only and almost puking in every set ) followed by high intensity cardio ED, ( sprint , spinning etc... it is freaking exausting but it is the only way I can lose 1.000 cals ED ) , I am not sure I will be able to keep up with this training program but I will try .

So , that is basically 1.100 cals deficit a day for me . So , there is 3.500 cals in a pound of fat . So to lose 2 lbs of FAT you need 7.000 cals deficit .

My diet will put me around 7.700 cals deficit per week . So I should lose around 2.2 lbs of fat a week .

Also , it is NOT a wise idea to greatly reduce your caloric intake , let's say my BMR is 2.500 cals and you say , oh I am not gonna bust my ass on the gym and to lose weight I will just eat 1.500 cals a day , ok you will have THE SAME 1.000 cals deficit a day , BUT THEN , your metabolism will SLOW big time , your thyroid will basically stop . So , the best thing is to lose the cals on the gym and NOT reduce caloric intake .

so , I will let you guys know what will happen in 4 weeks with me

If you agree or disagree with the theory feel free to give your thoughts .

Victor

The man's a genius I tell ya. Anyway, I hear your point, but high-protien, low carb, moderate fat is THE diet IMO.

 

[MS]

The only benefit of manipulating macronutrients (for instance dropping carbs) is for hunger control. Provided protein is adequate it doesn't matter what else you eat as long as you are below maintenance calories (and get enough EFAs). The real problem is that it is harder to stick to a below maintanance diet when most of your calories are coming from pizza and chocolate cake. But if you have the will power, then you can get ripped eating nothing but Big Macs!

 

[VictorBR]

The only benefit of manipulating macronutrients (for instance dropping carbs) is for hunger control. Provided protein is adequate it doesn't matter what else you eat as long as you are below maintenance calories (and get enough EFAs). The real problem is that it is harder to stick to a below maintanance diet when most of your calories are coming from pizza and chocolate cake. But if you have the will power, then you can get ripped eating nothing but Big Macs!

>>> GOD DAMN IT ! finally someone that understood my point . That was about fucking time .


Victor

 

[SuperShick]

wait, i don't understand the eating chocolate cake and big macs and still getting ripped. could u please explain that? i'm very interested in this concept and i want to learn more about it. I think i know what you're saying vic.

-SuperShick

 

[Tom Treutlein]

You can't! Oh good lord, eating crap like that, you will still put on weight. I used to think the same thing, that as long as you're below maintenance, you will lose weight. No! No no no no!

 

[Slyder190]

yeah right, a lean hard body from eating QP's? It's the latest greatest diet, we call it, "Bodies by Big Macs". Come on dude. How do you thionk your body composition would rally be even if you were losing weight?