Motivational thread!

[casavant]

Zyglamail- I'm not sure who you were referrring to in your post, but I for one am definitely not saying that anyone can achieve their goals naturally. I'm in the same boat with you on that one, bro.

FYI to whom it may concern- I've got a confession: I've got gyno. Nasty little lumps under my nipples that appeared during puberty and never went away. I'm also a decent sized guy. Many, many cases of gyno occur naturally in people who've never run any juice, so this is never a clear indicator of whether someone is natural or not. Also, it didn't look like that guy had any gyno, just chub.

 

[hardbody_jr]

Why tha fuck are some people doubting that?

It's not like he gained 45lbs of lean mass while shedding 30lbs of fat... he ain't no Ralph Zangorafuckaimanewyorkcoppowhogotlaidoffandhave13kidsandigiveallmylovetoblablabooeydointhisbillphillipscontest.

A transformation like this is totally possible without gear.

I agree with you. Alot of people don't hit their natural peak before they start using AS. In this case, he may.

 

[Busta]

 

[M56M]

I agree with you. Alot of people don't hit their natural peak before they start using AS. In this case, he may.

Then when someone actually does take the time and dedication, everyone wants to scream "ROIDS!!"....kinda of a double standard..

M56M

 

[Big_Brick]

Then when someone actually does take the time and dedication, everyone wants to scream "ROIDS!!"....kinda of a double standard..

M56M

yea, well it would look stupid if he could do that without gear when they cant even do it with....

 

[Ercole]

Nice genetics! He's in the right sport.

 

[M56M]

yea, well it would look stupid if he could do that without gear when they cant even do it with....

Thats the point, most people can and its not the hard work that there are afraid of, becuase honestly we work just as hard on AS as if we didn't use AS, the PROBLEM we all face is ...TIME. NO one wants to have patients to get there, and in all honesty AS is the quicker way. So we can get there but its human nature to be impatient.

M56M

 

[big kev1]

at any rate, the guy worked his ass off. nice job.

 

[dawookie]

Natural or not, the dude busted his ass to drop the fat.. Props to him.. hopefully he can check this place out and let us know what he did to make the transformation..

 

[kaoz&zen]

First off i would like to say that regardless of how it was done and how much time it took, CONGRATULATIONS! Now its time for him add some mass-- b/c if e can diet down like that and lose virtually no muscle (tri's are indicative of this) he should be doing winter bulking. Now down to business: okay, let's see; what is his estimatable bf% in pic 1 and then in pic2? I have a feeling that his fat was way above average for a precontest diet to put him in contest condition (which is #2.) The average precontest diet is started (w/ normal carb levels) around 20 weeks out (and can include eca, nyc, topical yohimbine-- damn did he need it for nipples,-- clen, t3, dnp, etc. To achieve these results he had to diet extremely hard (if naturally) and usually these conditions lead to canabalism of muscle tissue (even ketosis-- if you burn past your fat intake, say "bye-bye" to a small amount of muscle) which,as i said earlier, seems to not have happened. This is preventable with very low dosages of anabolic agents, but is extremely hard to prevent naturally. Another thing to ponder: you said he was bulking, so was he this cut before and just gained too much fat? I'd say no he was not ever previously in this condition. So some things just don't add up, but still good results. Why the claim of natural; unnatural is anything outside of ordinary means which in the bb world comes down to anything not obtainable through the living process of a normal person. Techinically this includes revised diet, amphetamines, diuretics, protein supplements, creatine, bcaa's, prohormones, aas, thermogenic agents, appetite supressants, sleep aids (hey the normal person doesn't only have rem sleep-- ghb and melatonin, HGH, insulin, etc. Or natural can mean anyone who is inside of the current standards, which in bodybuilding do include the afore-mentioned claims. Words of advice: ditch the all-natural claim and don;t claim anything; people will respect you more, there will be much less controversy, and your results will speaf for themselves regardless of how their obtained.

P.S. BigAndy69, the operative words in your post are "9 months", you have a respectable claim; don't couple yourself with this.