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Motivational thread!

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Here is a little motivational pic for those of you considering the use of gear, in reference to natural plateaus and the potential for people to attain them without AS.

THis guy went from before to after in 12 weeks, ALL NATURAL!!!!

SO for those of you that don't think you can reach your goals naturally, than you haven't done enough research!!!

Gear will help to surpass plateaus, but I THINK THIS IS AMAZING!

Can't get over this, all natural and only 12 weeks!

WOW!
 
In all honesty he was already pretty big, it looks like he just cut up and got a tan from pic 1 to pic 2
 
12 weeks all natural?? I think not, unless you consider ephedrine and clen natural.
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I shit you not!!!! This wowed me beyond belief. 100% all natural, never touched AS ever. I'm guessing creatine, or ECA but that is it!
 
guards said:



I shit you not!!!! This wowed me beyond belief. 100% all natural, never touched AS ever. I'm guessing creatine, or ECA but that is it!
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hmmmm.............I hope you didn't get this pic from some cheap musclemag add for some new diet product. How'd you get this pic?
 
Well none of us will ever know what he used for sure.

But he definately made a jaw-dropping transformation.


Yes he cut up, but it looks like he managed to keep all the muscle.
 
hmmmm.............I hope you didn't get this pic from some cheap musclemag add for some new diet product. How'd you get this pic?
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The guy goes to my school......LOL......not from a mag!!!

I asked him for some of his pics.
 
guards said:



The guy goes to my school......LOL......not from a mag!!!

I asked him for some of his pics.
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Sorry bro, but the guy's full of shit. He was on a serious cutting cycle, like winny+clen+t3. Think about it. 12 weeks? That's just enough time for a cycle.
...Oh yeah, he prolly dieted like a mofo too.
 
I hate when people attest to unbelievable transformations and then tag on the end "and it's all natural," like they fucking know. He can tell you whatever he wants you to hear. He did a cutting cycle and dieted effectively.
 
Whats gear got to do with it, you can see he already had the size and in the 12 weeks just lost the blubber.:rolleyes:
 
Nice

Great job on the diet , but amazing i think not. Im sure hes natural as far as massing drugs , but cutting drugs im sure has used as it looks like thats alot of fat dropped quick.
 
It's not impossible... look at the progress some of the "Body for Life" contestants make in that same amount of time.
 
Why tha fuck are some people doubting that?

It's not like he gained 45lbs of lean mass while shedding 30lbs of fat... he ain't no Ralph Zangorafuckaimanewyorkcoppowhogotlaidoffandhave13kidsandigiveallmylovetoblablabooeydointhisbillphillipscontest.

A transformation like this is totally possible without gear.
 
Like some others have already said. "natural or not" we'll probably never know for sure, but in any case that's an awesome transformation. I give him his props whether he used any AS or not.
 
Dude was a fat fuck with bitch tits in the before pic. And in the after pic he probably didn't weigh 150 lbs.

Sorry but if that is natural, I don't want it. If he was on juice, then he got ripped off.

Maybe some people just do not set their goals as high as others.
 
Completely possible

Like several people have already said, it's not like he gained a shitload of mass. It looks like he just worked his ass off, maintained a super-strict diet, and probably used some ECA. You can do a lot with yourself in 12 weeks.
 
nautica said:
Dude was a fat fuck with bitch tits in the before pic. And in the after pic he probably didn't weigh 150 lbs.

Sorry but if that is natural, I don't want it. If he was on juice, then he got ripped off.

Maybe some people just do not set their goals as high as others.
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the guy made a huge transformation! who the fuck are you to knock him down?
 
I believe he could be natural. Not in 12 weeks. But it could be. I SERIOUSLY doubt that he is. But I think it COULD happen. But not in 12 weeks.

A friend of mine lost 120 lbs. in a 5 1/2 month period. Ate chicken, eggs, and tuna. And that's it. Every day.

I give him full credit, though. He had to put forth good effort if he was natural or not. I won't take that away.
 
It's very possible. I've gone from 210lbs at well over 20% Bf to 185lbs at 12% Bf. I did it in 16 weeks. All I used was adipo for the last 2 months.
 
very possible, i went from 225lbs 18-20%BF to 175lbs 8-10% with a nice six pack AND All NATURAL! So it is very possible that he did that. And you know what, have the guys on this board can't do it with AS so i don't know what all this F'in drama is about. You have seen some of the pics on this board, and alot of guys don't even look like they have touched any AS, and some of them are like "oh yeah this is my 3rd cycle" THEN where are the results.

Just give this guy his credit, you can do anything with enough hard work and dedication. And what he did was NOT IMPOSSIBLE! He just had the drive to do it.

M56M
 
I went from 268 to 241 in exactly four weeks a couple of years ago- the only shit I took was ECA. I didn't do it the smartest way possible, so I probably sacrificed a little muscle, but not as much as you would think.

One day I got some film developed, and when I looked at the pictures I realized just how chubby I had gotten over the winter. I could barely see my eyes when I was smiling. The next day I started dieting. I ate five meals a day, consisting of only rice, egg whites, tuna, chicken breast, and protein shakes. I popped ECA like it was candy. I'd have a couple of doses by my bed so I could pop them before I got up. Then I'd go to the park and jog the trail for 45 minutes to an hour on an empty stomach, have a protein shake, then hit the gym. If I had access to a digital camera I'd post the pictures.

Anyway, the point is that you've just got to be dedicated, and you can do a lot with what you've got. Shit, look at some of the guys that come out of a military eight week basic training course. Some come out looking ten times better than when they went in- maybe not up to par for bodybuilding, but damn good considering they're power- eating three meals a day and just running and doing calisthenics. They just have to work their asses off, so their bodies change.
 
I don't believe you guys.

I know for a fact that this guy is natural; you can even see his journal up on another site (and it's free! imagine that!) I'd post the link, but a few assholes already went over there at one point to start sh*t, so I see no need to encourage that again.

I know it's tough to believe; and that's a testament to how hard this guy worked. he'll probably read this thread in a bit; why don't you ask HIM?

m56m, you said it, man.
 
He may have naturally went from fat to where he was. But how do you account for the gyno.

I am 100% natural right now, but that does not mean I got here naturally.
 
That's not gyno, genius. A lot of people get fat deposits around their chest and nipples when they bulk up.'

It's been stated by several people that know him that he's natural. Why the resistance? The fact that half the people I've seen here couldn't reach that even WITH a heavy cutting cycle?

Don't project your personal insecurities on to other people; your smallness is showing.
 
While I do think he made a great transformation, I dissagree with your blanket statement that we can reach our goals naturally. Some of us have goals far beyond what nature intended :D
 
Dude, to be completely honest with you. I don't really give a shit whether he is natural or not.

All I am saying is that some people have different goals than others do. I was ripped at 185 when I was 19 and I was completely natural. But that is not where I personally want to be. So congradulations to the guy for either being natural or for proclaiming he is natural.

And by the way. I do consider the ECA stack a drug and if he took that or any other type of speed than he is not natural in my opinion.

Or how about prohormones. Do you consider those natural. Do you even consider them healthy. I would never consider prohormones - due to the negative vs. positive effect.
 
I got the same time of shit when I came back from a 1.5 year layoff because of injury. I went from a really fat 210 to 205lbs at 16-17% BF. It took me 9 months of hard work and busting my ass at the gym. A lot of ppl didn't beleive I was natural.

Suprisingly enough they were all small and weak and some of them actually used AS.
 
If thats gyno in the first pict then I'm the proud owner of some breastesis.. I don't think its gyno but he sure did lose some fat in that short period of time..
 
Zyglamail- I'm not sure who you were referrring to in your post, but I for one am definitely not saying that anyone can achieve their goals naturally. I'm in the same boat with you on that one, bro.

FYI to whom it may concern- I've got a confession: I've got gyno. Nasty little lumps under my nipples that appeared during puberty and never went away. I'm also a decent sized guy. Many, many cases of gyno occur naturally in people who've never run any juice, so this is never a clear indicator of whether someone is natural or not. Also, it didn't look like that guy had any gyno, just chub.
 
Tha One CrumCake said:
Why tha fuck are some people doubting that?

It's not like he gained 45lbs of lean mass while shedding 30lbs of fat... he ain't no Ralph Zangorafuckaimanewyorkcoppowhogotlaidoffandhave13kidsandigiveallmylovetoblablabooeydointhisbillphillipscontest.

A transformation like this is totally possible without gear.
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I agree with you. Alot of people don't hit their natural peak before they start using AS. In this case, he may.
 
hardbody_jr said:


I agree with you. Alot of people don't hit their natural peak before they start using AS. In this case, he may.
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Then when someone actually does take the time and dedication, everyone wants to scream "ROIDS!!"....kinda of a double standard..

M56M
 
M56M said:


Then when someone actually does take the time and dedication, everyone wants to scream "ROIDS!!"....kinda of a double standard..

M56M
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yea, well it would look stupid if he could do that without gear when they cant even do it with....
 
Big_Brick said:


yea, well it would look stupid if he could do that without gear when they cant even do it with....
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Thats the point, most people can and its not the hard work that there are afraid of, becuase honestly we work just as hard on AS as if we didn't use AS, the PROBLEM we all face is ...TIME. NO one wants to have patients to get there, and in all honesty AS is the quicker way. So we can get there but its human nature to be impatient.

M56M
 
Natural or not, the dude busted his ass to drop the fat.. Props to him.. hopefully he can check this place out and let us know what he did to make the transformation..
 
First off i would like to say that regardless of how it was done and how much time it took, CONGRATULATIONS! Now its time for him add some mass-- b/c if e can diet down like that and lose virtually no muscle (tri's are indicative of this) he should be doing winter bulking. Now down to business: okay, let's see; what is his estimatable bf% in pic 1 and then in pic2? I have a feeling that his fat was way above average for a precontest diet to put him in contest condition (which is #2.) The average precontest diet is started (w/ normal carb levels) around 20 weeks out (and can include eca, nyc, topical yohimbine-- damn did he need it for nipples,-- clen, t3, dnp, etc. To achieve these results he had to diet extremely hard (if naturally) and usually these conditions lead to canabalism of muscle tissue (even ketosis-- if you burn past your fat intake, say "bye-bye" to a small amount of muscle) which,as i said earlier, seems to not have happened. This is preventable with very low dosages of anabolic agents, but is extremely hard to prevent naturally. Another thing to ponder: you said he was bulking, so was he this cut before and just gained too much fat? I'd say no he was not ever previously in this condition. So some things just don't add up, but still good results. Why the claim of natural; unnatural is anything outside of ordinary means which in the bb world comes down to anything not obtainable through the living process of a normal person. Techinically this includes revised diet, amphetamines, diuretics, protein supplements, creatine, bcaa's, prohormones, aas, thermogenic agents, appetite supressants, sleep aids (hey the normal person doesn't only have rem sleep-- ghb and melatonin, HGH, insulin, etc. Or natural can mean anyone who is inside of the current standards, which in bodybuilding do include the afore-mentioned claims. Words of advice: ditch the all-natural claim and don;t claim anything; people will respect you more, there will be much less controversy, and your results will speaf for themselves regardless of how their obtained.

P.S. BigAndy69, the operative words in your post are "9 months", you have a respectable claim; don't couple yourself with this.
 
LMFAO!!

sorry bros but this guy IS the real deal, he is a moderator
on wannabebigcom. and he is ALL natural no clen no nothing, he has kept a tight journal for everyone to read everyday. this was his first show and he dieting all natural. i can t wait to go tell him waht all you guys are saying, you sound like a bunch of wimps man. he will definaetly be flattered lol. impossible somebody says... i fell sorry for you , you must have the worst genetics...
 
LMAO @ the morons that doubt this transfornmation.
I love it when people chalk everything up to steroids and not hard work. This cat is a example of what hard work and dedication can do if you just put your mind to it. That's what BB is all about. Not jamming a gram of test in you every week as you get ready for a comp.

A job well done!!!!
 
DoctorHERB said:
Not impressed. Im see that he got ultra lean, but cardio and diet will do that. No increase in mass from before to after.
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How many people do you know who can drop close to 40 lbs in a short time and add muscle?? WTF are you smokin and where can I get some?
 
that is very possible guys.. all he did was cut up real good. with a good diet and alot of cardio that is very possible. when i first started lifting i dropped from like 250lbs dow to 180-185 in a short period of time. i wasn't concerned with maintaining muscle beacuse i had relatively none at the time. i would never lose that fast again simple beacause i'd like to maintain some muscle mass..
 
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spunky, the fact of the matter is, he did retain muscle,, that's what is such a controversy. Look at his tri's, he lost virtually no muscle in them. 12 weeks if natural?

"LMAO @ the morons that doubt this transfornmation.
I love it when people chalk everything up to steroids and not hard work. This cat is a example of what hard work and dedication can do if you just put your mind to it. That's what BB is all about. Not jamming a gram of test in you every week as you get ready for a comp. "
Good job at insulting everyone, perfect in handling the discusssion intellectually. People are not actually saying "He is on ROIDS!" They are either dubious of the all natural claim or of the time it took to achieve these goals. No one doubts his hard work. The great thing about this forum is that it is a microcosm of the bb world whose constituents are among the most educated of all; do not bring this down with your ignorance. Most (if not all) here on the boards are aware that any change in one's body is an example of hard work and not due to just one factor-- like juice or supplements. I do complement you on your view of body building though; that you do have correct (or perhaps, partially.)

"He is natty and he is a mod over at another board.
Nuff said.
Can't believe some think he juiced."
Thank you for spewing forth another intelligent statement. I guess it is things like this that make me stay here at elite. Most (in fact I'd say all) of the mods here admit their fallibility and promote themselves as any other body builder; never have I seen one here use their status as a defense/credential as to why they are correct. They are the same as anyone; hey even m0f0 is a mod on another board (which surprisingly is doing well and is quite down to earth.) Thanks, we gladly appreciate your hypocrisy in criticizing us about being close-minded, for while in doing so you are becoming that which you "preach" against; as evidenced by the latter of the two statements of yours which I have quoted. He is a mod so his word is good as gold. RIGHT!
 
Whoa whoa whoa. I think you got the tone wrong.

I think a few folks here that know him are a little amused that people are denying the natty claim. I don't think any offense was meant. The "mod" reference was more him saying that "He's on another board, and he's easy enough to find". Had nothing to do with knowledge base.

Be cool, y'all.
 
It is quite easy to achieve what that guy did naturally in 12 weeks. He looks very thin and seems to have lost much of his muscle mass, but he is defined. Why is everyone questioning this?
 
Am I the only one to notice that he grew A LOT more hair than most people would in 3 months? Supacuts tells me it grows 0.5in/mo, his seems to have grown at three times that rate.

No fucking way.
 
DaMan said:
Am I the only one to notice that he grew A LOT more hair than most people would in 3 months? Supacuts tells me it grows 0.5in/mo, his seems to have grown at three times that rate.

No fucking way.
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Daman- thats pathetic of you to think that; looking for every stupid detail to take his credibility away, all of you that bash him: maybe you should stop all your juicin and learn how to train and diet first!

on the otherhand WAY TO GO SINEP!
 
kaoz&zen said:
spunky, the fact of the matter is, he did retain muscle,, that's what is such a controversy. Look at his tri's, he lost virtually no muscle in them. 12 weeks if natural?

"LMAO @ the morons that doubt this transfornmation.
I love it when people chalk everything up to steroids and not hard work. This cat is a example of what hard work and dedication can do if you just put your mind to it. That's what BB is all about. Not jamming a gram of test in you every week as you get ready for a comp. "
Good job at insulting everyone, perfect in handling the discusssion intellectually. People are not actually saying "He is on ROIDS!" They are either dubious of the all natural claim or of the time it took to achieve these goals. No one doubts his hard work. The great thing about this forum is that it is a microcosm of the bb world whose constituents are among the most educated of all; do not bring this down with your ignorance. Most (if not all) here on the boards are aware that any change in one's body is an example of hard work and not due to just one factor-- like juice or supplements. I do complement you on your view of body building though; that you do have correct (or perhaps, partially.)

"He is natty and he is a mod over at another board.
Nuff said.
Can't believe some think he juiced."
Thank you for spewing forth another intelligent statement. I guess it is things like this that make me stay here at elite. Most (in fact I'd say all) of the mods here admit their fallibility and promote themselves as any other body builder; never have I seen one here use their status as a defense/credential as to why they are correct. They are the same as anyone; hey even m0f0 is a mod on another board (which surprisingly is doing well and is quite down to earth.) Thanks, we gladly appreciate your hypocrisy in criticizing us about being close-minded, for while in doing so you are becoming that which you "preach" against; as evidenced by the latter of the two statements of yours which I have quoted. He is a mod so his word is good as gold. RIGHT!
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Why are your posts so long? You need to learn to paraphrase
 
DaMan said:
Am I the only one to notice that he grew A LOT more hair than most people would in 3 months? Supacuts tells me it grows 0.5in/mo, his seems to have grown at three times that rate.

No fucking way.
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He's got a point there japanes machine. Don't dance around the subject. how do you explain the rapid hair growth....Genetics too??? LOL:FRlol:
 
12=3 months

I have to get my haircut every 2 weeks. If I let it grow it would be longer than that in 12 weeks.
 
I just cannot see that it is the same person????????????
He looks like a fat little teen guy (14-15 years) in the first pic, and a ripped 25 year old in the next (with much more tan BTW :)

Don't look real to me anyway, but what do I know??? :)
 
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