losing 5-10 lbs in 5 days by consuming 900 calories/day, what happens?

[hugeskinny]

i was debating with a friend how this would not be a wise, nor lasting result, but they kept referring to "other" people who have had success. does anyone know the technical aspects of such a result?

(5 day diet yields 5-10 lb weight loss)

 

[SgtSlaughter]

I can loose up to 10 lbs in a day.

Just eat REALLY shitty ... sodium loaded foods, don't drink enuff water... get REALLY bloated... then hydrate up and eat extremely clean and loose the bloat.


It's all water weight though....not fat or muscle. Water.

 

[*Bunny*]

I can loose up to 10 lbs in a day.
...
It's all water weight though....not fat or muscle. Water.

^^
5-10 lbs of water yes... of anything permanent & of value (fat), NO.

You are correct it is NOT wise and will NOT be a lasting result.

 

[gettnlarge01]

The slower you lose weight normaly the easier it is to keep the weight off. Ask your friend how many calories will they be eating when 900calories/day isn"t yielding any weight lose.

 

[Tweakle]

are those other people mischa barton and tobey mcguire?

900 cals isnt enough for a 110lb woman, any guy who tries that for more than a couple of days is going to burn up muscle.

 

[hugeskinny]

thx for the replies all. does anyone have a medical or indepth explanation?


gettnlarge01: it's a 5 day diet where after the 5th day, you lose desire to eat. at that point you are to increase calories (i guess the equivalence of a clean diet).

anyway, i find skeptical parts of the 5 days where you practically starve yourself and lose 5-10 lbs. how would you be losing water if you are eating 900 calories and drinking tons of water? i was thinking you lose lots of muscle (catabolism), and some fat. but surely when you increase calories, i'm thinking there would be a rebound effect; not to mention any damage you've done to your body (metabolism).

 

[*Bunny*]

Your body is made up of cells.

Cells need to eat.

Eating helps you function normally & keeps you alive.

You don't eat, your body look for food else where.

Body will trigger 'starvation mode' which means lets store all the good stuff away for the hibernation (FAT!) and start munching on what's there (MUSCLE).

One lb of fat = (generally accepted figure) ~ 3500 cals for one pound of fat.

There is NO WAY you can lose 10 lbs of FAT in 5 days unless you BURN an excess of 7000 cals a day. Even 5 lbs of fat in 5 days would be 3500 cals in a day.

DOUBLE EDGED SWORD HERE, lets say you over exerted yourself and tried this.. your body would most likely go into shock AND triggering your body's 'survival mode' or 'wtf is going on' and AGAIN, store what is needs to survive (i.e top choice would be fat) b/c you are doing something WAY out of 'normal' ...

Thus, in THAT amount of time ANY weight shifting on the scale is mostly water, there is NOTHING else it really can be of value (i.e. significant amount fat loss) which is what you're trying to achieve.

Also, if you pound water during this little trial your body may even hold ONTO what you are drinking (your body LOVES WATER) again b/c it's trying to preserve what it can.

Yes there would be rebound from anything added back in too fast.

Best I can do on short notice without getting out my biology book.

 

[Sassy69]

Very similar to the "Hollywood Miracle Diet" approach - liquid diet for 3 days of stuff that makes you pee. Sure you'll dump 10 lb of WATER weight.

The refeed on the 5th day is similar to a CKD diet -- but the 900 cals -- initially you'll dump some water weight but you can also do that on higher cals but a specific macro ratio. The first couple days of 900 cals won't really hurt you because you are within that little window of time where your body hasn't really responded to the short term change yet. On probably day 3 or 4 I would expect metabolism to slow down. If the low cals also means low carbs, your energy levels will start to flag as well. That, in turn, drags on your ability to exercise. I think ultimately the result is "skinny fat" if you kept that diet going for a long time. It would get you results, but your muscle mass would take a beating. Generally I think you can lose 1/2 - 1 lb of "fat mass" per week.

 

[*Bunny*]

Very similar to the "Hollywood Miracle Diet" approach - liquid diet for 3 days of stuff that makes you pee. Sure you'll dump 10 lb of WATER weight.

The refeed on the 5th day is similar to a CKD diet -- but the 900 cals -- initially you'll dump some water weight but you can also do that on higher cals but a specific macro ratio. The first couple days of 900 cals won't really hurt you because you are within that little window of time where your body hasn't really responded to the short term change yet. On probably day 3 or 4 I would expect metabolism to slow down. If the low cals also means low carbs, your energy levels will start to flag as well. That, in turn, drags on your ability to exercise. I think ultimately the result is "skinny fat" if you kept that diet going for a long time. It would get you results, but your muscle mass would take a beating. Generally I think you can lose 1/2 - 1 lb of "fat mass" per week.

^^ great post

 

[The Shadow]

Your body is made up of cells.

Cells need to eat.

Eating helps you function normally & keeps you alive.

You don't eat, your body look for food else where.

Body will trigger 'starvation mode' which means lets store all the good stuff away for the hibernation (FAT!) and start munching on what's there (MUSCLE).

One lb of fat = (generally accepted figure) ~ 3500 cals for one pound of fat.

There is NO WAY you can lose 10 lbs of FAT in 5 days unless you BURN an excess of 7000 cals a day. Even 5 lbs of fat in 5 days would be 3500 cals in a day.

DOUBLE EDGED SWORD HERE, lets say you over exerted yourself and tried this.. your body would most likely go into shock AND triggering your body's 'survival mode' or 'wtf is going on' and AGAIN, store what is needs to survive (i.e top choice would be fat) b/c you are doing something WAY out of 'normal' ...

Thus, in THAT amount of time ANY weight shifting on the scale is mostly water, there is NOTHING else it really can be of value (i.e. significant amount fat loss) which is what you're trying to achieve.

Also, if you pound water during this little trial your body may even hold ONTO what you are drinking (your body LOVES WATER) again b/c it's trying to preserve what it can.

Yes there would be rebound from anything added back in too fast.

Best I can do on short notice without getting out my biology book.

EXACTLY what she said

 

[hugeskinny]

that's some great info. everyone's been given a round of karma ;] thx all

 

[needtogetaas]

some times I take a big shit and lose 10lbs.haaay heeh any one with me here.

 

[Sassy69]

some times I take a big shit and lose 10lbs.haaay heeh any one with me here.

tmi....

 

[mapanoy]

I am not sure what you have heard is true. That mean you can lose 1 or 2 pound a day

 

[SpyWizard]

um.. nice 7 yr bump of a thread.. but shows you are using the search tool..

 

[bakemeacookie]

this is also known as the 'hcg diet'. Where dumb women starve themselves and think they're losing weight cuz of some hcg hormone. Then they start eating normal again, and weight gains back (also known as stage p4). Dumb.

If you starve long enough - you'll get the holocaust look and lose muscle. Not exactly a symbol of health.

http://hcgdietinfo.com/hcgdietforums/f27/help-need-advice-almost-19-lbs-above-ldw-60967/

 

[bakemeacookie]

i was debating with a friend how this would not be a wise, nor lasting result, but they kept referring to "other" people who have had success. does anyone know the technical aspects of such a result?

(5 day diet yields 5-10 lb weight loss)

Nothing. Weight Loss != Fat Loss.

How does he look in the mirror? And yes it works. Go ask anyone in the military who's been to boot camp or out on patrol. All he's dongi is having a large calorie deficit. Don't believe all that intenret myth garbage. Your body won't drop metabolism to 1000 calories per day (impossible). Your body won't eat all your muscle (unless you have very low bf to begin wtih). Go look at gastric bypass patietns who eat 600 calories a day? NOthing but fat loss. People's internals are all the same.

Try it and let the mirror be the judge. Not broscience. I do vlcd all the time with IF to rapidly lose BF for my and my clients all the time. Works awesome.

I do NOT suggest high cardio. It's very hard for high intensity with low calories. Weights are good.

 

[gjohnson5]

This weight loss would be water initially. You would go into starvation after a while and lose muscle mass

 

[bakemeacookie]

This weight loss would be water initially. You would go into starvation after a while and lose muscle mass

Not if you:

1) workout muscles
2) eat protein
3) do this for a limited time to quickly lose weight

Many athletes/bbers go on vlcd diets for a few weeks to quickly drop fat fast. There is zero need for body to go to muscles for glucose when there's ample supply of fatty deposits.

However if you do this for a lengthy period of time, never see the gym, have limited fat stores (why even do this then?) - then yes, body will start utilizing muscle protein for glucose.

Lots of great articles on this on lyle mcdonalds site and his "Rapid Fat Loss Handbook" where he specificaly answers this 'muscle loss' question.

 

[SpyWizard]

Not if you:

1) workout muscles
2) eat protein
3) do this for a limited time to quickly lose weight

Many athletes/bbers go on vlcd diets for a few weeks to quickly drop fat fast. There is zero need for body to go to muscles for glucose when there's ample supply of fatty deposits.

However if you do this for a lengthy period of time, never see the gym, have limited fat stores (why even do this then?) - then yes, body will start utilizing muscle protein for glucose.

Lots of great articles on this on lyle mcdonalds site and his "Rapid Fat Loss Handbook" where he specificaly answers this 'muscle loss' question.

that's one of the primary debates within the UoMinnesota athletic department.. when does the body start using protein in the place of stored fats in the environment of exercise..

the current teaching is that the body does not want to use protein (either from muscle or organs) but will instead use glucose (of coarse) then fatty acids in the blood, and stored fats for energy..

so the debate is if 300-400 cals of glycogen are what is stored around the liver, once that is used up due to activity/exertion, what level of energy/power is lost..

You see fat loss is not the desire in the study, but rather performance of the athlete..

High Intensive workouts (Hrt = 65% + capacity) in a glycogen deficit condition is not desirable, as performance will be effected, however low intensity workouts in a glycogen deficient condition are very desirable for fat loss given that the refeed, and subsequent caloric intake is limited to replenishing the daily requirements of the body only..

 

[bakemeacookie]

that's one of the primary debates within the UoMinnesota athletic department.. when does the body start using protein in the place of stored fats in the environment of exercise..

the current teaching is that the body does not want to use protein (either from muscle or organs) but will instead use glucose (of coarse) then fatty acids in the blood, and stored fats for energy..

so the debate is if 300-400 cals of glycogen are what is stored around the liver, once that is used up due to activity/exertion, what level of energy/power is lost..

You see fat loss is not the desire in the study, but rather performance of the athlete..

High Intensive workouts (Hrt = 65% + capacity) in a glycogen deficit condition is not desirable, as performance will be effected, however low intensity workouts in a glycogen deficient condition are very desirable for fat loss given that the refeed, and subsequent caloric intake is limited to replenishing the daily requirements of the body only..

For these q's - I would suggest reading Lyle Mcdonalds books - he really goes into excruciating detail about protein sparing, glucose, etc. Even many free articles on his site.

From what I know - the brain, some tissues, etc. only like to use glucose. They don't use fatty acids. Therefore if you go low carb - you will NEED protein. If enough protein is not present - it will go to the muscles.

The reason why it's essential to get enough protein when you go very low calorie.

and yes, high intensity workouts can only used stored glucose for it's energy. In a low calorie diet - you are very low on glucose in the morning, so high intensity really is out. You can try but you will bonk out fast.

Which is okay - weight loss is 80% diet anyways. Many like to do relaxing low intensity or weights. Which is good for it conditiosn them to continue doing them in the maintenance phase, which is vital - for most people get fat because they simply go back to their old habits. Overeating and not working out.

 

[SpyWizard]

For these q's - I would suggest reading Lyle Mcdonalds books - he really goes into excruciating detail about protein sparing, glucose, etc. Even many free articles on his site.

From what I know - the brain, some tissues, etc. only like to use glucose. They don't use fatty acids. Therefore if you go low carb - you will NEED protein. If enough protein is not present - it will go to the muscles.

The reason why it's essential to get enough protein when you go very low calorie.

and yes, high intensity workouts can only used stored glucose for it's energy. In a low calorie diet - you are very low on glucose in the morning, so high intensity really is out. You can try but you will bonk out fast.

Which is okay - weight loss is 80% diet anyways. Many like to do relaxing low intensity or weights. Which is good for it conditiosn them to continue doing them in the maintenance phase, which is vital - for most people get fat because they simply go back to their old habits. Overeating and not working out.

isn't that the truth..