I was cruising the anabolic board today...

[silver_shadow]

It's not that the board doesn't help people - they are going to use anyway so they might as well get some info first - or doesn't serve an excellent and at times noble purpose, it's that drugs have become so prevalent and so available that every skinny string bean kid who doesn't know a thing about lifting can get them. That wasn't the way it was before the internet. It was sort of a self-regulating thing as few gym dealers would put themselves out there in front of obvious pure novices who had just started training 8 months before (although certainly some would but in general the casual gym dealer sought out obviously knowledgable trainees rather than risk some kids parents or bother with some doofus).

actually a few yrs ago when i was first on those boards, yes, there were a lot of knuckleheads too but in general the vets would make an effort to ensure that 16yr olds weren't going to get on the sauce. i remember 1 such incident when a 16 yo kept starting different threads sort of trying to get approval. alot of bros actually helped him by pointing him in the right direction - diet/training and ensured that the kid never juiced. there musta been many more such incidents but i dont remember them. i don't see some of those vets post as much nowadays. i feel that the anabolic board has degraded a bit (JMO).
and i still cannot get over the *star* member (who was also mod for some time) who was around 25, advocated some insane usage of AAS, was arrogant as hell and who would tick anyone of when they called BS on him (and trust me there was alot of BS)

 

[Madcow2]

actually a few yrs ago when i was first on those boards, yes, there were a lot of knuckleheads too but in general the vets would make an effort to ensure that 16yr olds weren't going to get on the sauce. i remember 1 such incident when a 16 yo kept starting different threads sort of trying to get approval. alot of bros actually helped him by pointing him in the right direction - diet/training and ensured that the kid never juiced. there musta been many more such incidents but i dont remember them. i don't see some of those vets post as much nowadays. i feel that the anabolic board has degraded a bit (JMO).
and i still cannot get over the *star* member (who was also mod for some time) who was around 25, advocated some insane usage of AAS, was arrogant as hell and who would tick anyone of when they called BS on him (and trust me there was alot of BS)

One of the main things was that there weren't as many forums around the net as there are now. Elite's anabolic forum had a ton of traffic and actually around 2002ish I guess many boards sprung out from this very one. I think Triedia sort of started it at the time and then many others appeared from there and here. So you get a dilutive effect since, let's face it, steroids are not that complicated and certainly not much has changed over the years. Once you get the knowledgebase it's pretty damn boring just sitting around and saying the same thing to all the kids who post threads. Now take the people who are willing to do that and spread them over a lot of forums. So you get degrading quality. There are still some very sharp people here but I think the total number has declined and even # posts has dropped some. Plus now the search is platinum only so you get a lot more doofus questions from the non-paying members where the typical response was "did you run a search".

 

[silver_shadow]

One of the main things was that there weren't as many forums around the net as there are now. Elite's anabolic forum had a ton of traffic and actually around 2002ish I guess many boards sprung out from this very one. I think Triedia sort of started it at the time and then many others appeared from there and here. So you get a dilutive effect since, let's face it, steroids are not that complicated and certainly not much has changed over the years. Once you get the knowledgebase it's pretty damn boring just sitting around and saying the same thing to all the kids who post threads. Now take the people who are willing to do that and spread them over a lot of forums. So you get degrading quality. There are still some very sharp people here but I think the total number has declined and even # posts has dropped some. Plus now the search is platinum only so you get a lot more doofus questions from the non-paying members where the typical response was "did you run a search".

yep u hit the nail on the head. back then, there were some interesting topics debated and some good discussions... won't go into detail but it should suffice to say that things were a lot more interesting then. and i guess some of those sharp vets who are still around are probably fedup with answering the same questions again and again and you don't see them post as much anymore.

 

[swordfish151]

Morning gentlmen...I understand all your points..i was not trying to "bash" anyone in the weights board..i respect alot of you believe it or not and your ideas and philosophies when it comes to training (especially Madcow)...anyway i wasnt offended by the original post at all...just wanted to shair my point of view on the subject.

 

[djeclipse]

yep u hit the nail on the head. back then, there were some interesting topics debated and some good discussions... won't go into detail but it should suffice to say that things were a lot more interesting then. and i guess some of those sharp vets who are still around are probably fedup with answering the same questions again and again and you don't see them post as much anymore.

But like Madcow2 said, the reason for all the repetative questions, week after week is the search function is not available to the regular members. So instead of searching for info on a topic they make a new one about the same old things.

And because of it the vets get fed up with the same old topics being made weekly so they stop checking the boards. The noobs are the ones that need the search function the most.

 

[Anthrax Invasion]

That's not the only reason. Hell, that's far and away the main reason - people are fucking stupid, and people are fucking lazy. That's the big issue.

There are other great forums out there, and people ask the same shit there too. I'm not saying the search function wouldn't rid us of some of the crap, but there are always going to be adolescents and lazy college students who would rather piss away their time asking the same question over and over, across many message boards, instead of digging up the answer (which has been the same fucking thing since, what, the 50's?) on their own.

Don't take human stupidity for granted. It's powerful.

 

[psychedout]

That's not the only reason. Hell, that's far and away the main reason - people are fucking stupid, and people are fucking lazy. That's the big issue.

There are other great forums out there, and people ask the same shit there too. I'm not saying the search function wouldn't rid us of some of the crap, but there are always going to be adolescents and lazy college students who would rather piss away their time asking the same question over and over, across many message boards, instead of digging up the answer (which has been the same fucking thing since, what, the 50's?) on their own.

Don't take human stupidity for granted. It's powerful.

To quote Einstein: There are only two things I know of that are infinite. The universe and human stupidity. And I am not sure about the former.

 

[dugie65]

i'm glad i see a lot of younger guys on this board like myself.

I like to stick to my training rather than the drugs.

Sure they play a part but it shouldnt be the basis to any one gaining muscle.

 

[silver_shadow]

as SF151 pointed out, the anabolic board is to discuss anabolics and the weights board is for training so you won't see training discussed on the anabolic board. but hasn't anyone ever wondered why some of the noobs on that board are rarely if ever seen here learning how they could enhance their bodies through good solid workout knowledge?

 

[casualbb]

Elite is a huge site, with its anabolic board more prominently displayed than training by a huge degree. So when people come here, first thing they see is BAM anabolic.

And then you have noobs getting recommended cycles very liberally.

So people get the idea that steroid use is "the way," because elite is a huge site and its the norm.

And the thing is, once you decide to start using... the effect of changes in drug regimen and diet VASTLY outweigh changes in training. Moving weights is just a complicated (and sometimes painful) way to force the body to retain some protein. Steroids do that significantly if you just sit on your ass, but with synergistic effects with training.

In other words, someone who has a crappy routine but good diet and roids stands to gain much more by taking more roids than he does by switching to a good routine. That's just the nature of chemistry. Steroids send a powerful signal to grow that's far higher than anything you can induce naturally.

Look at the olympia winner before and after steroid use caught on. The golden era guys are big and well-shaped, but still look fairly human. Less so with the arnold era, but as time moved on the dosages grew. And now we have ronnie coleman, who probably has someone help him put on his shoes.

so i got a little rambly, but yeah, that's why crappy training tends to reign among those who are on the anabolic board but not the training board.