i think ill quit dieting, and just do massive cardio to get ripped

[Haz]

OK, I have some experience with doing tons of cardio. First of all, I don't think its going to help with your hunger problems. You are going to be starving a few hours after a long cardio workout. Its REALLY easy to overeat in that case, and actually take in more calories then you burned up doing the cardio. So if you have problems controlling yourself, this method might not be the best.

However, running 5 miles a day is no big deal. You might lose a bit of muscle, but if you eat right it shouldn't be much. I agree that dieting sucks, but its VERY tough to lose fat from cardio. You need to do alot to burn off just a bit of fat.

I think your best bet is to do moderate to low amounts of cardio (3-5 miles, 4-5 times a week), and loosen up your diet.

 

[Burning Fury]

My Thoughts

I haven't been back in the game to be qualified to say much. But I know that it's easier to ingest calories than it is to burn them. If you do that much running you will end up losing muscle. When cutting time comes around you ever try cutting down on carbs and just ingest good amounts of protein and healthy fats? I know that the CKD works very well. I have had friends do it. I'm not into the science of it, but here's an easy way of cutting down. Cut out carbs to around 0-20 grams a day (make sure they're low glycemic) and pig out on protein/fat. Fat isn't really good for you in excessive amounts. Try to take in healthy fats if you can, like fats from fish, olive oil...etc Protein will fill you up more than carbs, so you'll end up taking in less calories. I've went on it before and it's hard for me b/c I go brain dead at work. Carbs are needed for my brain to function. Some people can do well with out it. Then one day a week eat some carbs, but not too much. I believe it's okay to go on a splurge once in a while, as long as it's not an every day thing. Just my thoughts.

 

[Haz]

CytoMel, people who jog alot, normally don't lift weights, and don't eat that much. If they ate like a bodybuilder and lifted weights, joggers would carry much more muscle. However, the extra weight would only tire them out more quickly, and would be counter productive. Thats why endurance atheletes are so thin, extra bulk doesn't help, so they don't let themselves bulk up.

A good example is Lance Armstrong. Before he had cancer, he had a relatively muscular build. He was a good cyclist, but not great. The cancer caused him to lose 20 lbs of lean weight. That is 20 pounds less he had to drag for 120 miles up and down 6000 foot mountains. His body didn't have to expend as much energy because he was lighter, which made him a better cyclist. After losing the weight, he went on to win 4 tour de Frances, and is probably going to go on and break the record of 5 wins.

So don't sweat a bit of cardio, it won't make your muscles waste away.

 

[Legion Kreinak]

Hey Haz, I've got my diet posted on the board (Refined Diet is the subject). Check it out and tell me what ya' think if ya' could?

 

[CytoMel]

CytoMel, people who jog alot, normally don't lift weights, and don't eat that much. If they ate like a bodybuilder and lifted weights, joggers would carry much more muscle. However, the extra weight would only tire them out more quickly, and would be counter productive. Thats why endurance atheletes are so thin, extra bulk doesn't help, so they don't let themselves bulk up.

A good example is Lance Armstrong. Before he had cancer, he had a relatively muscular build. He was a good cyclist, but not great. The cancer caused him to lose 20 lbs of lean weight. That is 20 pounds less he had to drag for 120 miles up and down 6000 foot mountains. His body didn't have to expend as much energy because he was lighter, which made him a better cyclist. After losing the weight, he went on to win 4 tour de Frances, and is probably going to go on and break the record of 5 wins.

So don't sweat a bit of cardio, it won't make your muscles waste away.

A bit of cardio is fine but a bit is like 5-10 miles a week. 5 miles a day is 35 miles a week. That is a ton of cardio!

I think nclifter wants to be big and ripped but he will burn more muscle than fat doing all that running.

All of those long distane endurance athletes prove my point. They all wasted away their muscles doing a ton of cardio. Some of them even lift weights but they dont look like it because of the huge catabolic effects of those multiple hour cardio sessions a day.

Try that 5 miles of cardio a day and you will lose a ton of muscle and end up with numerous leg injuries especially someone who is 200+ pounds.

 

[SOLID]

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i mean whats the point of always dieting.....to just get fat again, when u come off the diet???????????????/ [/B]

A "diet" is a way of eating. You don't get fat coming off a diet, you need to find a diet- or way of eating that suits you and will accomplish your goals. Tons of cadio is not the answer, I've done that route while eating a abundance of cals, you will still put on fat. I don't see why you make dieting so tuff, you post new threads on it constantly. Find something that works for you something that you can maintain for long periods of time without going crazy. Allow yourself to eat what ever you want once a week to prevent you from going crazy and feeling deprived. It will be something you can look forward to. Sure you can eat a ton of carbs and appear big and smooth and less vascular, is that what your looking for? What are your goals?

 

[HANSEL]

"People with bulimia eat huge amounts of food, then purge, or fast, or overexercise to avoid gaining weight."

http://www.health.com/health/wynks/Anorexia_BulimiaWYNK2000-MAL/

 

[Haz]

Arnold used to run 3 miles a day, and he had a decent amount of muscle. 5 miles ain't shit. I used to do 7-8 miles a day and didn't lose much at all. Once the body becomes used to the cardio it becomes very efficient and you don't lose much weight.

 

[Nelson Montana]

After running a marathon, the average weight loss is four pounds. Three of which is water.

Of the remaining one pound, at least half is muscle.

That means it requires running 26 miles in a couple of hours in order to lose a few ounces of fat.

How much fat do you think you're going to lose running 5 miles a week?

Aerobics are the big lie.

 

[mlomker]

I think that Haz had the answer to the problem with aerobics -- your body will adapt and burn less and less calories doing the same activities. That's why a lot of people talk about switching up on your aerobic exercises and doing interval training instead of distances.

You have to prevent your body from adapting or you'll have to continuously increase the intesity to attain the same results.