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I lost 30lbs with Green tea- pics included

Greek_Souvlaki

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Yo all,
Wanted to share something that might help those who would like to stay away from harmful stimulants and still lose weight. Took the advice of a natural pathic Dr to lose some weight...see my pics of what Green Tea did in 3-4 months.

The following was me diet which helped me shed 30 lbs in 3.5 months, again using no gear, no supp's, nothing but the following changes...

-10 cups of Green tea a day

-Stopped eating red meat and breads

-Diet was composed of white meats (excluding pork) and tons and tons of Greens+

Drinking that much Green Tea always made me feel almost high, like a good espresso buzz without the burn out feeling you get afterwards - I dont know why but sex drive went threw the roof as well.

Did you know that a cup of green tea may provide 10-40mg of polyphenols and has antioxidant activity greater than a serving of spinach, broccoli, carrots or strawberries? Did you know that EGCG makes up about 10-50% of the total catechin content in green tea and appears to be the most powerful of the catechins - with antioxidant activity about 25-100 times more potent than vitamins C and E? I love this stuff...feel like shit if I dont have any...

As much as we use the man-made tools available like gear to better our bodies, we shouldnt forget what mother nature has also available to us...



http://groups.msn.com/Peterbeforeandafter30lbs-/shoebox.msnw

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Greek, did you just keep brewing tea all day or did you bottle some for later use?

Fonz has posted some great info about green tea, too.
 
dude I work on a cpu all day...had the friggin tea pot next to me and kept drinking as I worked...I could feel a thermogenic effect all day and felt so good, never burned out like from epha or other thermo supps. I drank 2 cups right bfr a work out and would sweat like a mad man. Now, if I dont get all those yummy antioxadants every day I can tell, my energy levels go down. I used two tea bags a pot and had like 2 pots a day...I wanna try adding some Rhodiola tea to it, this stuff is great with green tea I heard, its a russian plant or root that aids in many things including increaseing your matabolism.
 
Did you have caffeinated or Decaf green tea?

Nice job

Good Post

Karma for you....
 
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No disrespect intented but from the pics it looks like you lost alot of muscle as well.
 
Good work Greek... you look good Bro.

I've been using green tea for the past year... both the beverage and the extract. I love its thermogenic and anti-oxidant benefits.
 
Scotty, did you notice any muscle loss with green tea along with the fatburning? Could it be used to slowly reduce fat without muscle loss do you think?
 
jubei said:
No disrespect intented but from the pics it looks like you lost alot of muscle as well.
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yeah i noticed the same thing....none the less he looks sooooo much better at 190. 220 he was a fat pig.... impressive bro......awsome job!!!

i think green tea is one of the ultimate supps. its so good for u. what more could u ask for. speeds up fat loss with out any stimulation, powerful anti-oxident, cheep as dirt.....awsome shit....buy the extract in pill form
 
In the past two years... it has become very hard for me to gain weight jubei. Even with moderate AAS use (less than a gram/week)... I can rarely get my bodyweight over 200lbs. However, no matter what I eat, or how much I eat... my BF never reaches anything higher than 10%. My diet, at times, consists of pure crap too: pizza, drive-through, ice cream, cakes, etc. Although, for the most part, I do eat pretty clean. Everytime I eat, my body heats up enough to make me sweat (sometimes quite badly). I believe this is caused by the green tea.

So yeah... I do think green tea can be thermogenic enough to burn muscle. But its guaran-fucking-teed to keep you hard if you drink a few liters/day.
 
jubei said:
No disrespect intented but from the pics it looks like you lost alot of muscle as well.
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How the fuck could someone lose 30 lbs and not lose muscle? The point is he looks great. Nice work Greek
 
nydj66 said:
How the fuck could someone lose 30 lbs and not lose muscle? The point is he looks great. Nice work Greek
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i think he said that cause he is thinking of using it and doesnt want to lost muscle....as he said no disrespect intended....im sure u can read can't u?

you are right he looks great in comparison to his before pics
 
bicepts101 said:
i think he said that cause he is thinking of using it and doesnt want to lost muscle....as he said no disrespect intended....im sure u can read can't u?

you are right he looks great in comparison to his before pics
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Hey, I thought you were banned! :p
 
Where can you get green tea in bulk? 50 tea bags a week from the store might get a little pricey.
 
JoBu said:
Where can you get green tea in bulk? 50 tea bags a week from the store might get a little pricey.
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beyond a century. i know they sell extract, so im pretty sure they sell the tea too.


Why don't you guys use the extract instead? Do you just like the taste?

I take green tea extract and rhodiola extract, but never drink the stuff.
 
nydj66 said:
How the fuck could someone lose 30 lbs and not lose muscle? The point is he looks great. Nice work Greek
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Hey dumb fuck, check this. Cut your calories and you will lose muscle and fat at the same time. If the same thing happens without green tea big fucking deal moron.
 
jubei said:
Hey dumb fuck, check this. Cut your calories and you will lose muscle and fat at the same time. If the same thing happens without green tea big fucking deal moron.
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Jesus, what the fuck if your problem?

As far as his question, the answer honestly varies by person. I am trying to dig up the study, but i saw a good study once.

14 sets of obese identical twin females with BMIs around 38 were put on around 380 calories a day for 28 days. One of the individuals lost 27 lbs of fat (almost a pound of fat a day) and no muscle. Another individual only lost 7 lbs of fat and who knows how much muscle. So you can't really assume everyone will lose tons of muscle when they diet at the same rates. That study showed one woman losing a pound of fat a day adn no muscle. sadly im on dialup right now and can't browse the internet to find it but when i get home today i will dig up the article.

I've lost about 9" on my waist in the last 10 months (i took 3 months off due to stress, and it took me 1.5 months to re-lose the weight i regained in those 3 months) and my muscle size and strength is pretty much the same. The fat surrounding my muscle is smaller so the tape measure shows a decrease, but BF tests show my LBM is within a few pounds of where it was when i was 44 lbs heavier.
 
jubei said:
Hey dumb fuck, check this. Cut your calories and you will lose muscle and fat at the same time. If the same thing happens without green tea big fucking deal moron.
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But with green tea you don't have to cut calories...and that's the point.

It mediates the beta-3 receptor to activate adult BAT tissue and therefore dissipate more calories(You will feel a bit warmer), and w/o any change in calories or escercise you lose weight.

The MAXIMAL dose for fat burning for Green Tea is 4000mg 50% EGCG (2000mg). Thats where researchers found the highest increase in BMR.

I stopped using ECA(Ony sometimes as a pre-workout stim) as a thermogenic, and now exclusively use Green Tea(50% or above ECGC).
 
Fonz said:
But with green tea you don't have to cut calories...and that's the point.

It mediates the beta-3 receptor to activate adult BAT tissue and therefore dissipate more calories(You will feel a bit warmer), and w/o any change in calories or escercise you lose weight.

The MAXIMAL dose for fat burning for Green Tea is 4000mg 50% EGCG (2000mg). Thats where researchers found the highest increase in BMR.

I stopped using ECA(Ony sometimes as a pre-workout stim) as a thermogenic, and now exclusively use Green Tea(50% or above ECGC).
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Where'd you get that figure? I've only seen one study and it said 90mg EGCG 3x a day before meals was a good dose that gave a 4% metabolic boost.

Also, is green tea a lipolysis agent or a thermogenic? I have heard it is usually portrayed as a thermogenic, but i have also heard it has lipolytic effects and a 4% metabolic boost alone don't seem like they would explain the weight loss some people get on green tea. are the Beta 3 receptor properties lipolytic or thermogenic? I thought BAT was minimal, WAT was the fat tissue you want to target.
 
nordstrom said:
Where'd you get that figure? I've only seen one study and it said 90mg EGCG 3x a day before meals was a good dose that gave a 4% metabolic boost.

Also, is green tea a lipolysis agent or a thermogenic? I have heard it is usually portrayed as a thermogenic, but i have also heard it has lipolytic effects and a 4% metabolic boost alone don't seem like they would explain the weight loss some people get on green tea. are the Beta 3 receptor properties lipolytic or thermogenic? I thought BAT was minimal, WAT was the fat tissue you want to target.
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Thermogenic directly.

But since the body has to maintain a stable core temperature(Remember that GT is dissipating calories outwards) GT causes fat loss indirectly through the burning of FFA's if insulin levels are low enough. If insulin levels are high, GT will just cause the burning of carbs to conserve heat.
 
Fonz said:
But with green tea you don't have to cut calories...and that's the point.

It mediates the beta-3 receptor to activate adult BAT tissue and therefore dissipate more calories(You will feel a bit warmer), and w/o any change in calories or escercise you lose weight.

The MAXIMAL dose for fat burning for Green Tea is 4000mg 50% EGCG (2000mg). Thats where researchers found the highest increase in BMR.

I stopped using ECA(Ony sometimes as a pre-workout stim) as a thermogenic, and now exclusively use Green Tea(50% or above ECGC).
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Fonz what brand of Green Tea supplement are you using? I assume it comes in caps? I've wanted to try Green Tea, but I think the actual tea tastes horrible.
 
My problem is when i ask somebody a question and some other dumb fuck jumps in with an idiotic response that adds nothing. Thanks nordstrom and fonz for adding some info I can use.
 
EvolutionOfTheRevolution said:
Fonz what brand of Green Tea supplement are you using? I assume it comes in caps? I've wanted to try Green Tea, but I think the actual tea tastes horrible.
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I but BAC's in massive quantities and cap it myself in "OO" caps. Thats 650mg of 40% EGCG GT in on cap = 260mg (You have to buy the packer. GT is very fluffy)

I take 15/day
 
thats interesting.

Ive never taken my GT over 400mg egcg.

I'm going to bump it up and see what happens.

2,000mg of egcg huh.

very interesting.
 
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...ve&db=PubMed&list_uids=11319658&dopt=Abstract

OBJECTIVE: To assess the genetic contribution to determinants of therapeutic weight loss in obese female identical twins. DESIGN: Subjects were studied for 40 days on an inpatient unit in three phases: 7 baseline days; 28 days of weight reduction by a very low calorie diet (1.6 MJ per day); and 5 days after weight reduction. SUBJECTS: Fourteen pairs of premenopausal obese female identical twins (age: 39.0+/-1.7 y; body weight (BW): 93.9+/-21.2 kg; body mass index (BMI): 34.2+/-7.8 kg/m2). MEASUREMENTS:: Body composition by hydrodensitometry and resting metabolic rate by indirect calorimetry were assessed before and after weight loss. RESULTS:: There was great variability among pairs in loss of weight (5.9-12.4 kg) and body fat (3.1-12.4 kg). By contrast, the intraclass correlation (ICC) within twin pairs was 0.85, P<0.001 for weight and 0.88, P<0.001 for body fat. A measure of metabolic efficiency, calculated as the difference between 'estimated' and 'measured' energy deficit showed high intrapair correlation (ICC=0.77; P<0.001). CONCLUSIONS: The high correlation in metabolic efficiency within twin pairs in response to therapeutic weight loss suggests a strong genetic contribution.


Translation: 14 pairs of obese identical twin females were fed 382 calories a day for 28 days. Of the 28 individuals, one lost 27.28 pounds, all of it fat loss and lost no muscle. Thats a pound of fat a day and no muscle loss. On the other end of the spectrum a woman only lost 6.82 lbs of fat and who knows how much muscle (maybe 6+ pounds of it)
 
Greek_Souvlaki said:
Yo all,
Wanted to share something that might help those who would like to stay away from harmful stimulants and still lose weight. Took the advice of a natural pathic Dr to lose some weight...see my pics of what Green Tea did in 3-4 months.

The following was me diet which helped me shed 30 lbs in 3.5 months, again using no gear, no supp's, nothing but the following changes...

-10 cups of Green tea a day

-Stopped eating red meat and breads

-Diet was composed of white meats (excluding pork) and tons and tons of Greens+

Drinking that much Green Tea always made me feel almost high, like a good espresso buzz without the burn out feeling you get afterwards - I dont know why but sex drive went threw the roof as well.

Did you know that a cup of green tea may provide 10-40mg of polyphenols and has antioxidant activity greater than a serving of spinach, broccoli, carrots or strawberries? Did you know that EGCG makes up about 10-50% of the total catechin content in green tea and appears to be the most powerful of the catechins - with antioxidant activity about 25-100 times more potent than vitamins C and E? I love this stuff...feel like shit if I dont have any...

As much as we use the man-made tools available like gear to better our bodies, we shouldnt forget what mother nature has also available to us...



http://groups.msn.com/Peterbeforeandafter30lbs-/shoebox.msnw

:chomp: :chomp: :chomp:
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good work!
you look great!
 
brokenxdreams said:
How do you space out when you take your green tea? Do you take all 4000mg (50% EGCG) at once?

Also 50% ployphenols = 50% egcg?
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I didnt notice any effect with pills...I think other than the health benifits they were a waste for fat loss, this happened when drinking "hot" cups of tea I wonder if teh heat from teh water triggered the thermo effects of the green tea as this was when I noticed and felt the thermo effect.

I drank about 8-10 cups a day, one every hour while I was working. Having 2-3 cups did nothing also...its when I was having 8+ cups ED that people at work thought I was on crack or something cause the first 20 lbs melted off so quickly...

Also...didnt lose muscle actually felt stronger than ever - I was just fat.
 
Hello im new here.I'm 24 5'11 185 and have lost 55 pounds since december or so.But i wasnt doing stomach work so i still have a gut at 185.I think im gonna go down to 170,should that take it off with diet and hard workout and maybe green tea?
 
chordz said:
I use green tea extract also.
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does the extract do as good as the tea? I dont like tea and wheres the best place to buy the extract? Im going to GNC today
 
Greek_Souvlaki said:
I didnt notice any effect with pills...I think other than the health benifits they were a waste for fat loss, this happened when drinking "hot" cups of tea I wonder if teh heat from teh water triggered the thermo effects of the green tea as this was when I noticed and felt the thermo effect.

I drank about 8-10 cups a day, one every hour while I was working. Having 2-3 cups did nothing also...its when I was having 8+ cups ED that people at work thought I was on crack or something cause the first 20 lbs melted off so quickly...

Also...didnt lose muscle actually felt stronger than ever - I was just fat.
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Facinating, and great, great work! I started out last november at 134kg and am down to 108kg right now. If my LBM ratings are correct, I am down only about 2 lbs of muscle for over 55lbs of total weight loss, so I know how liberating that can be. New life: totally.

Am I understanding this correctly? Green Tea. Just good old fashioned 'Green Tea'? As in Celestial Seasonings Green Tea? I must be a cave dweller.... sorry, don't flame me too bad, this is just new for me.
 
nordstrom said:
beyond a century sells both the extract and the tea pretty cheaply.
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Hmmmm... I live in Iceland... beyond a century is a tough commute for tea.

Is there a special kind of Green Tea? Or is this just plane jane asian green tea?

Again my appologies for being so green... so to speak.
 
ChefWide said:
Hmmmm... I live in Iceland... beyond a century is a tough commute for tea.

Is there a special kind of Green Tea? Or is this just plane jane asian green tea?

Again my appologies for being so green... so to speak.
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I honestly do not know, i think all tea that comes from green, non-fermented leaves count as 'green tea'. I think all green teas count as long as they have a high amount of polyphenols, especially the EGCG polyphenol.
 
i can get the dripper from the supp store.. will that suffice? or should i get pills? ebay lol, i might get outbidded by one of you guys
 
georgie24 said:
i can get the dripper from the supp store.. will that suffice? or should i get pills? ebay lol, i might get outbidded by one of you guys
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dripper? Whats that, like a tea bag?

I'm just using extract pills that i capped myself right now.
 
i honestly don't know which delivery method is best, i dont know about the bioabsorption of the EGCG polyphenol and if one method is better than another. The OP seems to feel that tea is bioabsorpted while extract pills are not. However it is safe to say that concentrated liquid would probably be absorbed pretty well.
 
I just picked up 1000 caps from instynct for 85 dollars. They are 200mg and supposedly of very high quality.
 
Georgie, Fonz says he gets his extract in powder form and caps them in size 00 caps. I've the same powder and a Capsue Machine (cheaper then cap-m-quik) on order. Hope this helps.

I'm really looking foward to trying this because most diet aids are off limits to me because I can't tolerate stimulants. The BAC formula has less than 1% caffiene.
 
brokenxdreams said:
How do you space out when you take your green tea? Do you take all 4000mg (50% EGCG) at once?
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Bump , I want to know as well. Can I take 1000 in the morning and 1000 in the afternoon?
 
v shape said:
Bump , I want to know as well. Can I take 1000 in the morning and 1000 in the afternoon?
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The first day I tried Green tea I took 540 mg (50% EGCG) with each meal (I read the bottle wrong). So I took around 2160mg total before things went tits up.

After my fourth meal (at about 3 pm) I was totally spaced out.
I was in work at the time so I had to drive home wondering if I was going to pass out and crash LOL.
So I wouldn't take that much myself, and if you do try to spread it out through the day.
 
unclebully said:
The first day I tried Green tea I took 540 mg (50% EGCG) with each meal (I read the bottle wrong). So I took around 2160mg total before things went tits up.

After my fourth meal (at about 3 pm) I was totally spaced out.
I was in work at the time so I had to drive home wondering if I was going to pass out and crash LOL.
So I wouldn't take that much myself, and if you do try to spread it out through the day.
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Just remembered I also drank 3 cups of green tea that day.

brokenxdreams said:
Do you take all 4000mg (50% EGCG) at once?
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I seriously wouldn't recommend that!
 
you look much better, but you lost a heap of muscle...more than i would ahve liked to personally

im not a huge believer in green tea, ill be honest.

ade yia :)
 
he does'nt look that good my god, he would have been better off just using fina and done some cardio, at least he would have kept some muscle,out of the 30 lbs you lost it looks like 20 of it were muscle no offense but, green tea
is good but you should have thought that through before you started!!
 
Fonz said:
But with green tea you don't have to cut calories...and that's the point.

It mediates the beta-3 receptor to activate adult BAT tissue and therefore dissipate more calories(You will feel a bit warmer), and w/o any change in calories or escercise you lose weight.

The MAXIMAL dose for fat burning for Green Tea is 4000mg 50% EGCG (2000mg). Thats where researchers found the highest increase in BMR.

I stopped using ECA(Ony sometimes as a pre-workout stim) as a thermogenic, and now exclusively use Green Tea(50% or above ECGC).
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humans dont have much of B3 receptors dont they?
 
unclebully said:
The first day I tried Green tea I took 540 mg (50% EGCG) with each meal (I read the bottle wrong). So I took around 2160mg total before things went tits up.

After my fourth meal (at about 3 pm) I was totally spaced out.
I was in work at the time so I had to drive home wondering if I was going to pass out and crash LOL.
So I wouldn't take that much myself, and if you do try to spread it out through the day.
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I hear that. Green Tea at high doses makes me feel so fucked up in the head it's unbelieveable. And im talking about the decaf kind too.
 
11/2in22g5ccfilled said:
he does'nt look that good my god, he would have been better off just using fina and done some cardio, at least he would have kept some muscle,out of the 30 lbs you lost it looks like 20 of it were muscle no offense but, green tea
is good but you should have thought that through before you started!!
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You know what, I thought of just fucking the diet and useing some fina and winny for a first cycle as I havent used gear - but a friend of mine who had similiar stats did just that - well being over weight and using gear as you know greatly contributes to hypertension...

Needless to say his BP went threw the roof and he suffered from edema.

I dont feel it, I personally dont think I look it, but had I lost muscle to that degree as a price to pay for losing that much fat I would have gladly given it up...(picking up twice the ho's on weekends :p )

Now I will be doing my first cycle, am ready to go, since I lost that much weight - I know my cycle will be a lot more "safe" for me had I 30 extra pounds, looking at my buddies situation he cant use gear for a while if not forever...
 
I'm using green tea to cut too, been taking 2g a day of the BAC extract. I had just finished using ephedrine hcl for about 3 weeks and switched to the green tea. It's great to not have the jittery feeling all the time, and it seems to be helping my fat loss along. I definitely have noticed the heat from it as well.
 
Is BAC a cayenne extract or some sort? I have been taking cayenne pills with BAC made by Solay. Cayenne works by increasing oxygen delivery threw blood cells...

Cayenne contains a resinous and pungent substance known as capsaicin also known as BAC. Capsaicin temporarily stimulates release of various neurotransmitters from these nerves, including reducing platelet stickiness and acting as antioxidants. But I am still not sure what the BAC stands for?

In the morning when I drink a few cups of Green tea and add my 16 drops of milk thistle and pop a Cayenne pill I am feeling, basically high for a good 4 hours - I guess really happy and euphoric - excellent before a work out. Sweat so much people will think you took a shower with your clothes on. After you use this stack this combo your body will feel clean, taking ephedrine and the jitters is crap...
 
how do you drink your green t bro? i add 3 equals and 2 squirts of light cream....am i fucking up gt fat burning potential by adding all that stuff?
 
georgie24 said:
how do you drink your green t bro? i add 3 equals and 2 squirts of light cream....am i fucking up gt fat burning potential by adding all that stuff?
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Ewww...I drink it plane jane man...to me tastes like koolaid. I dont add anything, taste grows on you...trust me you'll love ir too.

Here in Vancouver Canada there's tons and tons of Chinese...you can watch 95+ year old men and women do there tai-chi and kung fu excersises by my place of emplyment with the agility of a 20 year old.

When speaking with this old Chinese guy who looked like the kung fu master in Kill Bill 2 how he stays so energetic, he said a pot of green tea a day and named a few other herbs too like white willow bark which works like asprin. Personally I cant take white willow as its a blood thinner...
 
here in the uk ive found 315mg green tea extract caps, what kind of dosege are we talking about with these? how many caps how many times a day with or without food? man you look good in the pics. well done
 
Ok I bought some green tea just to get me started. I will order a better product off the net but this will do for now. This is what the label says:
Green Tea extract 315mg
(camellian sinensis)(aerial)
Says one a day. What do you think I should take to help my fat loss goals ? I know what you recommended but it may be different with this potency. Thanks.
 
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torn said:
So does that BAC green tea extract need to be capped????
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Yup. The powder is vile tasting and sticky, so you can't just lick it off the palm of your hand or anything. (a trick I used to do with my powder supps before getting a cap machine.)

I suppose you could throw it in a protein shake, but you'd likely lose a lot of it sticking to the sides of your blender/shaker.
 
what about arizona green tea w/ honey & ginseng.... i already drink a ton of this anyway from the grocery store...same stuff, any benefits or am i way off...
 
Could I just use the extract caps is there a big difference ? The labels says take one they are 315 mg how many are suitable to take..
 
macrophage69alpha said:
540mg EGCG in a full days dosing of Levorex
180mg EGCG in a full days dosing of Thermorexin
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you love me.....i spend all my damn money at your store and i advertise for free:D

hey so what are u considering a full dose here?.....i take 6 lipo and 6-8 trex ED
 
Fonz said:
I but BAC's in massive quantities and cap it myself in "OO" caps. Thats 650mg of 40% EGCG GT in on cap = 260mg (You have to buy the packer. GT is very fluffy)

I take 15/day
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What brand of capper??

Cap-m-quick?? anybody use this brand of capper. It comes with 00 size capsules.
 
I use the Capsule Machine. Read is was easier and cheaper, but I've never used cap-m-quik and so can't really compare.
 
hairlossguru said:
What brand of capper??

Cap-m-quick?? anybody use this brand of capper. It comes with 00 size capsules.
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I am curious of a good caping method too. Also how much and how often are you guys taking Green Tea Extract, ther is alot to search on this board in regards to GTExract.
 
getatme1 said:
Do you drink it cold ???????
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Again, I didnt find the fat loss as rapid or extreme in pills - but I started to sweat on my 4th cup of hot tea. The thermo effect would carry with me all day, the more I drank the longer the thermo heat sensation I felt lasted. Never felt burnt out like on ephadrine or coffee.

I found also taking milk thistle pills had very little effect (no buzz or the feeling of heat in the body) when compared to the liquid I added into the tea.

I had people at my work ask me to add some to there coffe when they saw the weight drop, now half the office is using green tea + milk thistle + Cayenne pills. But scrap the green tea and milk thistle pills, use the liquid, trust me you'll notice a difference.
 
Oh forgot to add,
When I orginally wrote this post a week or so ago I was 190lbs, using a combo of 8+ cups Green tea + Milk thistle (liquid) + Cayenne pills = I am down to 183lbs. Stopped the cardio and stopped the diet and still loosing pounds. I highly recommend these 3 together as a combo to lose fat.

I am using my dad as a rat for an experiment. He's 300lbs (just imagine a fatter version of Danny Devito) I cant convince him to change his diet, but he's willing to do the tea and other components, if he loses pounds, I am going to market these 3 into a pill as a product, lol!
 
bicepts101 said:
you love me.....i spend all my damn money at your store and i advertise for free:D

hey so what are u considering a full dose here?.....i take 6 lipo and 6-8 trex ED
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I'm taking 16 Levorex/day.... :)

8 caps 2x/day

It has everything I would ever want in a cap.

I just add some extra GT in caps(40%EGCG) once a day to increase the thermogenic component, and some capped AlCar when I need to be focused.
If they included R-ALA in levorex, I would buy their entire stock out. :) That would be so kick-ass. I specially like the Altyr+AlCar combo. It's by far the best combo for alertness and focus you could ever use.
 
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