I Just wana loose weight!!! will Clen/T3 and HGH cycle be good for this??

[Baby Girl]

Hey guys i'm new here so jus wan say hello and also wonderin if you can help me....................................

Im currently on an extremely low calorie diet called the cambridge diet (Cambridge Diet: Welcome to Cambridge Diet) where i consume 415 calories a day however, i still get my reccomended daily allowance of protein, minerals, etc.

i've lost some weight but i want to loose more therefore, i want to go on a Clen/T3 cycle with HGH (injections). I dont know much about this stuff however, i've done as much research as possible and am aware of the side effects but i dont know if its right for me for my desired results( i want to weigh less and have some definition...particularly on my stomach) .

I was taking HGH, controlled my diet and worked out but i didnt lose much. Then, i found HGH only works well with LT-3/Insulin....therefore, i wasted loads of money

I've become so desperate and need some advice on how to take all 3 combined and the dosage. People always call me FAT and it upsets me because this weight loss is becoming a serious challenge for me I JUS WANT TO LOOSE WEIGHT AND HAVE SOME DEFINITION AND NO STRETCH MARKS!!!

I am 5'4, 24 years old, and weigh 144 pounds (i use to be 170 pounds before)

can someone help me pleeeeeeeeaseeeeeeeee I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IT!!!

 

[Melaina]

Based on the info you just gave... I would suggest against a Clen/T3 cycle w/ HGH... sounds like a guy told you to do this IMO. 415 calories is seriously low!!! Hang around the board a bit, I am new and have already been welcomed with wonderful ladies and a diet plan that is obvious and perfect. Hear what people have to say... post your diet (not only what but when you eat), your physical activity and take in all of your options. You do have options!! Some using AAS, others just pure diet and exercise. Living off water and mineral supplements is not going to help you long term... it will destroy your metabolism, trust me on this I know.

Stretch marks are hereditary... if your family is predisposed to them you're going to get them... ESPECIALLY if you lose weight quickly.

 

[myway]

WHOA. Under 500 cals a day?! This could do some MAJOR metabolism damage. Dont even THINK about clen.

 

[kinna]

welcome to the board. Your caloric intake is much too low. Post your diet. I would not recommend T3, from what I have seen is very bad rebound effects. It will supress your thyroid function and you may experience a terrible rebound effect. You could gain it all back and more. For clen with such low calories you will have serious side effects, headache, shakes, cramps. The most important thing is to eat 6 mini meals a day, with protien in each meal, weight trianing and cardio. For definition on your stomach it is all about the diet. on such a low calorie diet your body will eventually go into a fat storing mode. we are herar to help

 

[Tatyana]

The Cambridge diet is designed for people who are morbidly obese and at least 60-75 lbs overweight.

I have two friends that have been very successful with it, but both were morbidly obese.

Are you also getting the counselling with the diet?

I think there are quite a few misconceptions about fat loss drugs. They have gained popularity due to bodybuilding, but this is the issue, they were used by bodybuilders to reduce their bodyfat to very low levels for a competition, a very short term goal.

The biggest issue with the majority of fat loss drugs is that there is always rebound.

Clen will stop working effectively after three weeks, T3 at an effective dose can have some very uncomfortable and possibly dangerous side effects for people including things like racing heart, diarrhoea, hair loss, excessive sweating.

After you come off of T3, you thyroid gland will be sluggish, and may take at least a month to recover.

As with any bodybuilding drug, they can be used safely, however, this is the issue, they are bodybuilding drugs when used for fat loss, IMHO, they are not always that useful for permanent fat loss that you can maintain.

Before I give you any advice, how long have you been on the Cambridge diet?

Are you doing any exerise in conjuction with the diet?

 

[Tami Bellon]

Ok, there is one basic thing I want you to think about.....there is a difference between "weight" and "fat". You WANT to lose fat - not lean mass. You have probably already lost lean mass (muscle) - this is working against you!

LEAN MASS INCREASES METABOLISM. You want to keep that. You need PROTEIN to so so. Do NOT skimp on your protein (lean meats, fish, eggs (egg is THE best protein).

We don't give our bodies enough credit. NATURE has instilled "instinct" in our bodies. Your body thinks its starving if your caloric intake is too low. Your body will resist letting go of fat when this happens, and it will store almost everything you eat. It gets stored as FAT. Not the desired result.

You have to FEED your body to get it to burn unwanted fat instead of keeping the fat you have and adding more.

Look into the South Beach diet. IMO, it's one of the best "commercial" plans out there. It's pretty balanced and a great place to start.

You need to eat frequently and smaller portions. Caloric intake - your body weight x 10-12 is a good place to start. So 1400-1500 cal per day MINIMUM! 5 meals divided by your caloric intake. Focus on protein being the main portion of every meal - 20-25 grams.

Read the stickies at the beginning of all the threads if you haven't already. There is a lot of information in there....and it's GREAT information.

The girls here (including myself) have logged what they eat. Look at those logs. They will give you an idea of balance with the foods you eat.

Good luck to you!

 

[needtogetaas]

Welcome to the site. We are all hear to help you. I hooked you up with a free plat. I think you should never go that low on cals ever.

 

[Baby Girl]

Thank you soo much everyone it really does help hearing stuff from girls cuz lol i did get info about clen/T3 from a guy (no offence to any guys of course).

that was really useful and thank you to everyone who replied oh and a special thank you to "needtogetass" for hooking me up with the platinum.

.....about the cambridge diet this is end of weeek 7 now and i am seeing a councelor..........(the diet lasts 12 weeks)

for anyone that doesnt know about the cambridge it is a well balanced diet but the calorie in take is extremely low. I lost 2 stones (25pounds) in roughly 6 weeks...........it puts ur body in ketosis and you dont even have to work out but i do as my aim in total is to loose 60Llbs (so far i've lost 25 which means i have a long way to go).

how it works is you take 3 shakes a day which are full of everything your body needs in a day but in the form of low calorie shakes. in addition to this i go swimming between 3-5 times a week for 20-30mins and go to the sauna for 20min trying to sweat out pounds...lol. When i do go swimming I take 4 shakes daily to increase my protein intake to 57.6g

Below is a link to all the nutrition i take in daily...........if you look under "Cambridge diet drinks"

http://www.cambridge-diet.com/userfiles/file/nutrional_information.pdf

I know its extremely low calories but it has been working so i wanted to boost the weight loss.

I was actually going to purchase Cytomel (cytomix) and Clen stack in addition with this before i found this site as i read it works really well on girls....im looking to loose another 28 pounds fast somehow and quick.

hope this info was more useful

 

[Baby Girl]

Before i forget to mention I've done all the reasearch on T3/Clen and i'm aware of the side affects but i guess im jus despret especially wen my family relationship is breaking down over my weight as i'm the odd one out............i know it shouldnt be this way but unfortunately for me it is.

I tried ephradine and clen previously (not together) but i want to try something that will make a big difference.

I was thinking even though i cant stay on T3 too long maybe it can burn my excess fat off as energy due to the increase in metabolism.

Thank you all.

 

[needtogetaas]

You could end up dead too. Also t-3 has a rebound effect. So unless you get down to the real problem you could just end up twice as overweight as when you started once its all over.

 

[superqt4u2nv]

Have you had your blood work done previous to getting on the diet have them check your thyroid etc?

 

[nefertiti]

Jesus hon....5'4 144lbs is NOT FAT! If your family is contributing to your negative feelings about yourself then THEY are the problem, not you.

There is a lot we can do to help you lean out in a healthy way. but let me please ask you to not gauge your progress by a scale. As someone who threw her life down the drain and almost killed herself from being obsessed with watching that number on the scale decrease I can tell you that scales are evil and losing weight doesn't even tell the real story. What did you lose? Muscle? Fat? Water? There's no way to know. And it's such a slippery slope to place yourself at the edge of, especially if you feel this abdly about yourself right now.

Please listen to these women...they are smart and will help you do this the right way. But also please feel free to PM me if you ever just need to vent frustration.

 

[Tami Bellon]

Are you doing urine keto stick tests? (pee on a keto strip)? I don't see how this diet could possibly put you into ketosis. There is 47.5 grams of carbohydrates PER SHAKE. So you're getting roughly 150 grams a day (not including any food you're eating) and even more on days when you have 4 shakes.

I've done keto diets in the past to drop water and unless I'm at 10 grams of carbs or LESS, I don't get into ketosis. You're number may be a little different, but I can guarantee you, 150 a day ain't it! It should be MUCH lower. I would request to be tested to see for yourself if you aren't already. I would also request an explanation of how this high carb count could put you into ketois.

Please - don't keep looking for a quick fix/the easy way out with a pill. You need self discipline. You need to fix your diet and get off that crap Cambridge. Sorry, but it is doing nothing but setting you up for failure.

What is your plan - WITH FOOD - as soon as you come off this shake thing? You better have one or you're going to be diving into bags of chips and boxes of twinkies like there is no tomorrow - and your metabolism is bottomed out due to the low calories. You have deprived yourself up to this point and I can't for the life of me believe that whomever said this was a good thing (and god I hope its not a doctor) can actually be TEACHING people this. How do these people justify this as "healthy".

Also, as Needto said - you're playing with fire if you're going to dabble with T3. You do not have enough experience to be thinking about substances at this point. You need to learn diet first. Eat real, whole foods for a while and learn your body and how to get it to do what you want it to just with diet.

I don't mean to come of harsh. It just makes me so angry that this is even an option for people who REALLY need help. It teaches people how to starve themselves and fail.

 

[Melaina]

I can vouch for that... I was on 17g carbs a day......... VERY strict counting and I was not in Ketosis (testing every morning) after 1 month.

 

[Tatyana]

Ketones are not going to show in your urine as your body is going to be using them as fuel.

The sticks are designed for diabetics to make sure they are not in diabetic ketoacidosis, which is a dangerous medical condition.

If anything, you will register as 'trace' which is light beige and very difficult to read under some light conditions.

 

[Tatyana]

Thank you soo much everyone it really does help hearing stuff from girls cuz lol i did get info about clen/T3 from a guy (no offence to any guys of course).

that was really useful and thank you to everyone who replied oh and a special thank you to "needtogetass" for hooking me up with the platinum.

.....about the cambridge diet this is end of weeek 7 now and i am seeing a councelor..........(the diet lasts 12 weeks)

for anyone that doesnt know about the cambridge it is a well balanced diet but the calorie in take is extremely low. I lost 2 stones (25pounds) in roughly 6 weeks...........it puts ur body in ketosis and you dont even have to work out but i do as my aim in total is to loose 60Llbs (so far i've lost 25 which means i have a long way to go).

how it works is you take 3 shakes a day which are full of everything your body needs in a day but in the form of low calorie shakes. in addition to this i go swimming between 3-5 times a week for 20-30mins and go to the sauna for 20min trying to sweat out pounds...lol. When i do go swimming I take 4 shakes daily to increase my protein intake to 57.6g

Below is a link to all the nutrition i take in daily...........if you look under "Cambridge diet drinks"

http://www.cambridge-diet.com/userfiles/file/nutrional_information.pdf

I know its extremely low calories but it has been working so i wanted to boost the weight loss.

I was actually going to purchase Cytomel (cytomix) and Clen stack in addition with this before i found this site as i read it works really well on girls....im looking to loose another 28 pounds fast somehow and quick.

hope this info was more useful

With your height and weight, your BMI is now 24, and according to the Cambridge website:

BMI 20 - 25 = Healthy weight
Well done, you are an ideal weight for your height.


T3 may have some side effects, including a sluggish thyroid when you come off of it for anywhere from three to six weeks.

As I mentioned, I do know of two people who have been really successful with the Cambridge diet, but both of them had weighed over 20 stone, and you were only 12 stone when you started.

I wouldn't advise taking the drugs, I would just continue with the diet for the remaining five weeks and then look at another method to get the body you want.

You may want to do some research into the term 'skinny fat', as all too frequently, severe dieting (with exercise) is going to eat up all your muscle tissue, and it is muscle that gives the lovely shape to a woman's legs and arms.

I think you will find that the majority of the women here weigh FAR MORE than you would expect, and it is because we have muscle, but we are also quite compact.

I am the same height as you, and in my avatar, I weighed around 130 lbs.

 

[Baby Girl]

Hi everyone i jus wana say a massive thank you for all your help and concern it really does mean a lot to me!!!

I know i'm being cheesy now...lol but you guys have really inspired me more then the ones closest to me, so thank you!

 

[slat1]

The ladies on this site are amazing. If you stick around you will make friends and have a great support system. There is a lot of applied knowledge on this site too.
BTW I would not touch Clen or T3 while doing that diet. With the minimal amount of food you are taking in you could severely damage yourself.

 

[pitbullrocco]

sounds like its all been covered. tbellon nailed it:
"You have probably already lost lean mass (muscle)" - that low of calories a day is NOT enough to feed your muscles.
"I don't see how this diet could possibly put you into ketosis." - no way, not possible. whoever is feeding you this info about your diet is wrong.

either way, you have to change your caloric intake at some point in order to "trick" your body. right now, your body is saying "yep, i got you figured out.. you're gonna give me this much here and that much there and so i'll just store this much away as fat since you are predictably starving me". mix it up. up your cals at least three times a week to 3 times your current daily. or do 3 weeks at 500 below your BMR per day, then go back to the starvation diet for a few weeks.

 

[needtogetaas]

Hi everyone i jus wana say a massive thank you for all your help and concern it really does mean a lot to me!!!

I know i'm being cheesy now...lol but you guys have really inspired me more then the ones closest to me, so thank you!

 

[Tami Bellon]

Bottom line, BG, is that we ALL want you to be successful. Our bodies are smarter than we think they are. Nature has it's own way of trying to keep us in "survival" mode.

We need to take the time to learn our bodies individually to see how it reacts to things. EVERY body - will react and go into starvation storing if you underestimate it with a caloric intake that is too low. It may work short term and you may lose "weight", but it will not be permanant. It will come back and it could surpass where you started.

I've attached our basic grocery list for your future reference. Keep it and use it when you need it. It is not an "all inclusive" list, but there is PLENTY there and extremely helpful for newbies!

Good luck, BG! PLEASE...ask questions

 

[*ebony*]

wow, i am glad you took the advice given!!

yes to weigh/fat loss for health and longevity.
no to weight/fat loss for health damage and death.