House passes bill to bring troops home in '08

[Mavafanculo]

no they didnt get the oil. Iraq pumps less now than they did before.

its not the oil, its the oil service contracts (infrastructure, pipelines etc)

its not protecting the embassey going forward, it was building the embassey

(see haliburton and subs)


btw, there's an argument to be made that one of the reasons we went to iraq was to create the current chaos that would keep their oil OFF the market in order to support the current high prices for years to come. Iraq was due to come off sanctions shortly and would have flooded the oil market. cheney and bus's oil business friends and saudi buddies would have been very unhappy.

always follow the money.

 

[roadwarrior]

wtf did the site change my reference to an atomic bomb to an "Anadrol bomb"??? lol, wtf

Pintoca... I was the one who said we don't us our arsenal. We have a lot of good men over there who walk around with targets on their backs while the so call combatants hide behind women and children. The women, children and old men are just as guilty for harboring the damn enemy as the enemy itself. They are subject to the same penalty. I have no issue with Napalm or anything else. We nuked Japan because continueing to fight the war conventionally would have let too many Americans die. I have no issue saying Americans are a lot more imporant to me than anyoen else. We went to Iraq. Whether I agree with being there or not, I do not want to see a single soldier die needlessly. We should be using cruise missles and high altitude bombimg to take out any village that harbors or assists the enemy. We should shoot to kill anyone who shows resistance. We should be absolutley ruthless in protecting American life.

I lived in France for 3 years. I would hate to see America become a sissy ass socialist society like that. The soccer mom politics of socialism is becoming entrenched in America. As Bill O'Reilly calls it... a culture war. I don't totally agree with everything he says but he has some good points. Goverment is not here to protect us from our our stupidity or to provide for us. We are responsible for ourselves. American Goverment should provide robust infrastrucutre, encourage the economy, provide strong defense including tightening our borders, and police the state against those who would harm others. We need to be the strong Americans of the past with a can-do attitude and self reliance not a bunch a sissy ass European socialists with open borders so the Mexicans and Islamo-facist bastards can steal our country and our way of life. I will gladly kill anyone who threatens my childrens's future of living free in America.

Yes... I am a hard ass. You can flame me, bomb me, or ban me but I don't have enough sensitivity to care.

 

[pintoca]

Pintoca... I was the one who said we don't us our arsenal. We have a lot of good men over there who walk around with targets on their backs while the so call combatants hide behind women and children. The women, children and old men are just as guilty for harboring the damn enemy as the enemy itself. They are subject to the same penalty. I have no issue with Napalm or anything else. We nuked Japan because continueing to fight the war conventionally would have let too many Americans die. I have no issue saying Americans are a lot more imporant to me than anyoen else. We went to Iraq. Whether I agree with being there or not, I do not want to see a single soldier die needlessly. We should be using cruise missles and high altitude bombimg to take out any village that harbors or assists the enemy. We should shoot to kill anyone who shows resistance. We should be absolutley ruthless in protecting American life.

I lived in France for 3 years. I would hate to see America become a sissy ass socialist society like that. The soccer mom politics of socialism is becoming entrenched in America. As Bill O'Reilly calls it... a culture war. I don't totally agree with everything he says but he has some good points. Goverment is not here to protect us from our our stupidity or to provide for us. We are responsible for ourselves. American Goverment should provide robust infrastrucutre, encourage the economy, provide strong defense including tightening our borders, and police the state against those who would harm others. We need to be the strong Americans of the past with a can-do attitude and self reliance not a bunch a sissy ass European socialists with open borders so the Mexicans and Islamo-facist bastards can steal our country and our way of life. I will gladly kill anyone who threatens my childrens's future of living free in America.

Yes... I am a hard ass. You can flame me, bomb me, or ban me but I don't have enough sensitivity to care.

I don't need to do any of those things bro, given yourself and your fear are your own worst enemy

 

[roadwarrior]

I don't need to do any of those things bro, given yourself and your fear are your own worst enemy

Fear my ass. I fear nothing including death... been too close to it before. I am prepared to do whatever is necessary unlike most of EU that I have ever met. Socialism is for week people who can't stand on their own two feet. Tolerance of muslims who want to force us to live by their fundamentalist sharia or how ever your spell their retarded expectation of so called law is foolish. They have made it clear that they will kill anyone who does not believe what they believe. As I see it, we should kill them first. As far as the rest of the soccer mom politics going on in America... it is a real problem. Open borders and "provide for everyone" mentality cost every hard working taxpayer too much. Why should I pay one penny for health care, housing, food or anything else for anyone but my family? Why am I penalized with a graduated tax system that punishes me for my success with higher percentage taxes? Why should the goverment try to take away my rights under the constitution to bear arms and speak freely? This world is a fucked up place and it's time for strong people to draw a line and fight for what is right. America needs to remain strong to protect all the candy assed EU when the shit hits the fan with China or the ragheads get together in some unified nation state that steals the bomb from Pakistan. I will not back down or retreat from the coming fight but I'm sure every EU pansy will welcome them with open arms until they destroy your countries like is happening inmuch of southern France being overrun by muslims. Then you will cry to America to protect you and save you. Maybe we will, maybe we won't.

 

[roadwarrior]

BTW... this is the end from my side. Talking American politics and policy with non-Americans is a waste of time. We can wait to see how things play out over the next few years.

The worst thing for America is that we will probably be saddled with Comrade Hillary Clinton or a completely inexperieced and unqualified Barak Obama as a president because Bush did not do what he had to do to win this war and too many Americans have lost the balls for real war. Either one will kiss their asses with attempts at appeasement and move us way too close to socialism. America is in a downward spiral and will follow Britain's lead as they declined to B player status after they could not retain/ control their empire in the last century. Empires and countries fail when they get too complacent and weak. Strong traditionalist Americans willing to fight might still save this country but only maybe.

I'm done with kind of discussion here and will stick to the steroid forum, training forum, or parenting and recipes in C&C.

 

[redsamurai]

do you know what capitalism is my friend? I think you don't, if you did........you'd wouldn't be talking about the U.S as "capitalistic"........it's all a sham. But you seem to have no problem with the government making the worlds finest military hardware do you? Ummmmm, who pays for that? Right........we do. So I guess it comes down to this question............is it fine for us to foot the military budget so that we can traverse the globe making everyone our bitches so that we dominate the earth's resources.....but it's completely unacceptable for us to all pitch in on one unified health care program that would keep all of our individual costs down...????

BTW... this is the end from my side. Talking American politics and policy with non-Americans is a waste of time. We can wait to see how things play out over the next few years.

The worst thing for America is that we will probably be saddled with Comrade Hillary Clinton or a completely inexperieced and unqualified Barak Obama as a president because Bush did not do what he had to do to win this war and too many Americans have lost the balls for real war. Either one will kiss their asses with attempts at appeasement and move us way too close to socialism. America is in a downward spiral and will follow Britain's lead as they declined to B player status after they could not retain/ control their empire in the last century. Empires and countries fail when they get too complacent and weak. Strong traditionalist Americans willing to fight might still save this country but only maybe.

I'm done with kind of discussion here and will stick to the steroid forum, training forum, or parenting and recipes in C&C.

 

[roadwarrior]

do you know what capitalism is my friend? I think you don't, if you did........you'd wouldn't be talking about the U.S as "capitalistic"........it's all a sham. But you seem to have no problem with the government making the worlds finest military hardware do you? Ummmmm, who pays for that? Right........we do. So I guess it comes down to this question............is it fine for us to foot the military budget so that we can traverse the globe making everyone our bitches so that we dominate the earth's resources.....but it's completely unacceptable for us to all pitch in on one unified health care program that would keep all of our individual costs down...????

You're right that the US is not pure capitalism of unfettered private business operated solely for profit. There are goverment controls and influences. I have some problem with goverment interference with a free market system but accept it as necessary though I wish there were some changes. In one post, I stated that goverment should encourage a strong economy.

I think we should have the strongest military in the world but I never said I agreed with being in Iraq for ideological or financial reasons. I said that once there we should use everything that we can to win and protect our soldiers. I am 100% opposed to open borders and to kowtowing to Islamic fundamentalists or anyone else that would attack America. I don't think we have a right in the modern world to be Vikings plundering the earth. We should use our strength to protect and secure America.

I do not support goverment provided health care, welfare, housing, food stamps or any thing other than short term help to get over a hump. I do not believe it is goverment's job to provide for us.

I really don't want to continue this as I get very heated on this topic.

 

[redsamurai]

eh.....I think we're congruent in our beliefs........although I support some form of social netting, especially health care.....I see no reason against socialized health care.

You're right that the US is not pure capitalism of unfettered private business operated solely for profit. There are goverment controls and influences. I have some problem with goverment interference with a free market system but accept it as necessary though I wish there were some changes. In one post, I stated that goverment should encourage a strong economy.

I think we should have the strongest military in the world but I never said I agreed with being in Iraq for ideological or financial reasons. I said that once there we should use everything that we can to win and protect our soldiers. I am 100% opposed to open borders and to kowtowing to Islamic fundamentalists or anyone else that would attack America. I don't think we have a right in the modern world to be Vikings plundering the earth. We should use our strength to protect and secure America.

I do not support goverment provided health care, welfare, housing, food stamps or any thing other than short term help to get over a hump. I do not believe it is goverment's job to provide for us.

I really don't want to continue this as I get very heated on this topic.

 

[roadwarrior]

eh.....I think we're congruent in our beliefs........although I support some form of social netting, especially health care.....I see no reason against socialized health care.

I'm glad we can debate and agree to disagree. That freedom is part of what makes America great. I'll leave this debate here.

Steve

 

[redsamurai]

I'm glad we can debate and agree to disagree. That freedom is part of what makes America great. I'll leave this debate here.

Steve

yeah, but that freedom is going to be taken away very shortly.........hold on to your guns, and it ain't no arabs or muslims in general you're going to be needing those guns for, it'll be your own people who've bought into the machine..............see ya in canada eh?