HCGenerate while on and ball shrinks...

[madbro]

I'm fucking disapointed... I now think I should have used real HCG while being on.. there is a reason the pros are on it.. Im on my first cycle and already feel weird with balls so small... I thought HCGenerate should have prevented it.. I only hope when the PCT time comes in forma/unleashed post cycle combo/bridge will work... and the liquid staine while on will not cause any rebound effect when coming off while in PCT..

Shit I guess we really learn from mistakes lets see how it goes... So far I feel all day like I woke up fully regenerated at the morning with strong voice and overall warm nice feeling... My lifts are through the roof.. already gained 5solid kilograms.. and my sex life is on levels I never experienced before. The best thing is what test does in my opinion is allows me mentally concentrate on my intensity... I am fucking doing 80kilo chin ups with perfect 4 2 4 cadence for 9reps.... I do military press for 10reps with 70kilograms perfect form.. Hell My squat legpress superset is so intense now I fuckingg pukeeeee each and every workout I FUCKING LOVE IT I FEEL LIKE AN ANIMALL.... caloric intake increased by 2,000 calories like its nothing... eating 1 pound baked salmon whole chicken lean beef eggs potatoes pasta raw milk raw honey like a sick fuckkk... If after PCT I lose alot of my numbers on the lifts im will be very disapointed...

 

[muscleaddiction]

How long and when did you start HCGenerate on your cycle? How many milligrams of Test are you dosing? Interested to hear your results at the end of the cycle. I will be using HCGenerate on cycle, but still using HCG three weeks prior to PCT for a double whammy going into it. Keep killing it...sounds like everything else is going well!

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[madbro]

Im doing test e 500mg split 250x2 12 weeks HCGenerate 4weeks..4weeks off..4weeks on..5 a day.. Started since the beginning shit does nothing to my balls they all small im not even going to showers with my friends now..



How long it takes for HCgenerate to kick in if it kicks at all?

 

[stevesmi]

i'm on it and it works so not sure why its not working for you but by all means send it back and get your money back.

 

[stopstalking]

It won't fully prevent your nuts from shrinking. It will help a ton. O run it on all cycles and all the way through pct

 

[lowend82]

You can't compare HCGenerate to real HCg. Period

 

[dubbzero]

You can't compare HCGenerate to real HCg. Period

My thoughts exactly.

 

[stevesmi]

hcgenerate doesn't stay in stock very long for a reason.. IT WORKS!!

and if you used it and you weren't satisfied then SEND IT BACK and get your money back.. end of story. no one is scamming anyone so don't dare ever even mention the word when talking about NTBM products again.. they are the ONLY supplements i use and my results and knowledge speak for itself on here my friends.

 

[RickRock13]

HCGenerate certainly worked for me. I used it on cycle for my 12 week Test E/Masteron E cycle and my nuts are nearly the same size as precycle. I enter PCT next week, and I can tell that my recovery will be much smoother since I ran it.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Im doing test e 500mg split 250x2 12 weeks HCGenerate 4weeks..4weeks off..4weeks on..5 a day.. Started since the beginning shit does nothing to my balls they all small im not even going to showers with my friends now.. i feel like ive been abused/scammed or something lol...



How long it takes for HCgenerate to kick in if it kicks at all?

You went on and off? Why? Just do a couple of hits of HCG at the end of your cycle and it'll be fine.

 

[muscleaddiction]

These guys are trolls!

 

[muscleaddiction]

My thoughts exactly.

But I just saw another post where you recommended HCGenerate to another member...don't have your own thoughts?

 

[muscleaddiction]

Im doing test e 500mg split 250x2 12 weeks HCGenerate 4weeks..4weeks off..4weeks on..5 a day.. Started since the beginning shit does nothing to my balls they all small im not even going to showers with my friends now.. i feel like ive been abused/scammed or something lol...



How long it takes for HCgenerate to kick in if it kicks at all?

I wouldn't go shower with my friends either lol!

Anyway, as Nelson said why 4 weeks on, off, and on? If you couldn't run it from start to finish, then at least you should have started it at week 5 and ran it all the way through to PCT, and then like Nelson also recommended...like I will be doing...since this is your first cycle and you should have a back-up plan since you don't know how your body will react to the compounds you are intruducing it too, blast HCG at 500iu EOD for the last 3 weeks prior to starting PCT and you should be golden...you may be one of the few it may not work for, but for a high percentage of members it is a solid supplement. I for one have had much success with it, and it has attributed to my natural test levels being 742 at the young age of 41! My balls are nice and big...just ask my wife lol!

SO just like Steve said, NTBM carries a 100% money back guarantee so if you are not satisfied, return it for a full refund...and yes Unleashed/Post Cycle, Forma Stanzol, and a SERM will work awesome for PCT! Add D-Test Powerchews to that line up and you will be pumping semen in no time!!!

 

[muscleaddiction]

You can't compare HCGenerate to real HCg. Period

So let me ask you something...back in 2011 you said in another post you were waiting to try HCGenerate...well have you??? Have you compared HCG and HCGenerate side by side in all the years of AAS experience you obvoiusly have to eachother?

I didn't think so.

 

[madbro]

Thanks man I will run HCG at the end. To kick start the testicles harder.. I guess HCgenerate does something but not to that extent that I assumed because I gotta be honest I still have sperm production but my testicles are just so small it's weird..I will do some HCG as for my PCT I don't use any clomid... I will be running Forma/Unleashed post cycle combo/ bridge. Ive been convinced through ntbm posts that natural pct is the way to go. I still find it weird that my balls are so tiny lol

 

[mryar]

I think the time off is possibly what did it. leydig cells can atrophy in a hurry. More than a week without something will definitely cause problems in my humble opinion. LH comes in multiple pulses throughout the day to stimulate the testes, an analogy I like to think of is it'd be kind of like being in a wheelchair for a week straight without moving your legs then trying to get up and walk around. Probably would feel like legs when they're asleep. I think the take home message for everyone is to not let any time go by before doing something to prevent testicular atrophy (hcg/hcgenerate or what have you).

 

[stevesmi]

Thanks man I will run HCG at the end. To kick start the testicles harder.. I guess HCgenerate does something but not to that extent that I assumed because I gotta be honest I still have sperm production but my testicles are just so small it's weird..I will do some HCG as for my PCT I don't use any clomid... I will be running Forma/Unleashed post cycle combo/ bridge. Ive been convinced through ntbm posts that natural pct is the way to go. I still find it weird that my balls are so tiny lol

look we cannot take responsibility for people running the supplements incorrectly.

4 weeks on and 4 weeks off is not the correct way to run it. not sure who advised you to run it that way but either you misunderstood or they were incorrect. if you are on hormones then you need to be on the whole way.

coming on here and declaring you got scammed cause you cannot follow simple instructions on the bottle is childish and bush league. next time PM me or another rep/mod and we will explain to you how to run the product. i have posted on here hundreds of posts on how to run it and what it does etc. when has a member had a question for a vet or mod and not gotten an answer? NEVER. i have 488 PM's in my inbox and have responded to every single one of them so my office is always open so don't be shy next time

 

[madbro]

Brother how should I use the HCGenerate then? And is the PCT that I got from Needto is legit? I'm not a pussy but very afraid that things will turn ugly when im off.. Im not a hard cunt im not against anything just need some help properly getting of cycle now as I see some of the instructions I got are invalid.. I will run HCG 500ius 3times a week last 4 weeks before PCT and HCgenerate bottle.. I just want get off smooothh..

 

[madbro]

How would you suggest me to use it?

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ okay now i can see it.

the way he instructed to run it is fine. but like i said you cannot complain that your nuts shrink when you are off of it and then blame the supplement for that lol. seriously man get real.

he is trying to save you money .. also hcgenerate shouldn't be run more than 12 weeks straight so with long cycles that is a good strategy .

 

[Cali72]

Bro if you're running a 12 week cycle run it like this;

1-4 hcgenerate 3 caps am 2 caps pm
4-8 hcg at 250iu x2 week
8-12 hcgenerate 3 caps am 2 caps pm
12-14 hcg 5 shots at 1000iu over the 2 week period
14-18 start your pct.

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ yup exactly.

or start hcgenerate week 5 till week 12.. then run your hcg as a kickstart to pct. if you stack hcg, hcgenerate and HMG leading to pct you will get a lethal stack to get the LH going

 

[madbro]

^^^ yup exactly.

or start hcgenerate week 5 till week 12.. then run your hcg as a kickstart to pct. if you stack hcg, hcgenerate and HMG leading to pct you will get a lethal stack to get the LH going

I will do just that before PCT thank you bro!

What do you think about the PCT sugessted by Needto?? I mean the idea of starting the suplements right after the cycle ends sounds more promising then waiting till u fall down and then run serms.

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ the pct is good. you can throw in a light dose of clomid too if you want.

 

[muscleaddiction]

^^^ Cali and Steve have nailed it bro...good job guys, as usual! Mad follow this into PCT and you will be golden. I for one will watch over you to see how you come through so keep is in the loop bro!

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[Jack steel]

You can't compare HCGenerate to real HCg. Period

I really dont think you need to worry about it. It won't Keep you from bouncing back, man. Don't worry so much. Especially since it's your first cycle, and i'm assuming it isn't going to be run that long, you're pct should be fine. If the small balls bother you that much, i would just stay away from roids altogether to be honest. My balls shrink every time, and then POP! back to normal each PCT within a month or so. I've never used HCG or HCGenerate, and that's including 20 weeks - 1 year long cycles. That JUST MHO.

PS. *** Not that i condone year long cycles. It was fucking retarded and i wasted it.

 

[rage22]

All the advice here is good. That said. I ran hcgenerate and continue to now throughout my entire cycle. 5 caps Ed. My balls still shrank. Libido still dropped around week 5-6. I don't have marbles but they are not normal size. Hcgenerate will keep you from shutting down completely but i do believe that it needs to be run with real hcg at 250iu ew. Hcg IMO is just not strong enough. Although it is a nessecary supp in all of my cycles. I do believe that it works very well especially when you come off a cycle. I know several guys running tren/ deca/ test/ dbol and the like that run 16wk cycles and pct with only formastanzol and hcgenerate. Honest to god.. However thats not for me. But it must work if they are doing this.

 

[Cali72]

Since I incorporated hcgenerate on cycle I barely notice any ball shrinkage at all. I do however alternate every 4 weeks with hcg.

In saying that u are going to notice some shrinkage when using AAS but IMO hcgenerate helps immensely with the degree of shrinkage u will encounter.

 

[madbro]

I really dont think you need to worry about it. It won't Keep you from bouncing back, man. Don't worry so much. Especially since it's your first cycle, and i'm assuming it isn't going to be run that long, you're pct should be fine. If the small balls bother you that much, i would just stay away from roids altogether to be honest. My balls shrink every time, and then POP! back to normal each PCT within a month or so. I've never used HCG or HCGenerate, and that's including 20 weeks - 1 year long cycles. That JUST MHO.

PS. *** Not that i condone year long cycles. It was fucking retarded and i wasted it.

How do you recover from a year long cycle? Won't you eventually need TRT? or all of this permanent shutdown is pure bullshit because I hear about people actually deciding to live 20 solid years and fucking vanish after that so they put them selves on self prescribed TRT and after 15 to 20 years they actually recover pretty well they are not steirile down there and everything is just fine...

 

[needtogetaas]

Thanks man I will run HCG at the end. To kick start the testicles harder.. I guess HCgenerate does something but not to that extent that I assumed because I gotta be honest I still have sperm production but my testicles are just so small it's weird..I will do some HCG as for my PCT I don't use any clomid... I will be running Forma/Unleashed post cycle combo/ bridge. Ive been convinced through ntbm posts that natural pct is the way to go. I still find it weird that my balls are so tiny lol

My friend I think you should know that not every single last person is going to react the same way to any product and or drug for that matter. You said your nutts started shrinking from the very start of the cycle which I find odd seeing as test levels never reach high enough to start desensitizing the ledag cells till at least 3 weeks in and beyond...

Even still shrinking nuts is not a 100% indication that your cells are completely desensitized. You do however still have your sex drive, still have mental focus and everything else is in check besides the size of your nutts.

If you go back and re read my thread you will see I advised people to use hcgenerate for 4 weeks then hcg for 4 weeks and go back and forth like this if you plan to use hcg at all which I think is the best of all options. Going back and forth like this prevents any desensitizing from prolonged use of HCG and Hcgenerate.. use something, anything long enough the body will find a way to get used to it/desensitize to it/ reach some level of homeostasis. For this reason I have advised the 4 weeks hcgenerate 4 weeks hcg method as " the best" method. However many other methods have worked for thousands of others. You can use just hcgenerate the last 4-8 weeks or both hcg and hcgenerate or in some kind of combo. IMO the best option is the one I wrote in the all natural pct. Running hcgenerate during or after a cycle is never a bad option though... In the end however if you feel it has been just send back the empty bottle for a refund we care about the members here. They all happen to be close friends of mine now or will be soon if I can help it.

 

[nickb86]

whahey my question has been arnswered finally thanks needto you should put this post up in your holistic pct thread mate as a side note, to allow new site users and aas users additional info on the product and to back-up your pct explanation.
Which is excellent and very informative btw but doesnt really cover why the two in combination are best, common senese and assuption would lead to this arnswer, but its nice to have it in writing from the man himself.

 

[JINX2898]

i do 10-12 week cycles, i start HCgenerate 6 weeks in and go till end of cycle....take it right along with my pct for another 4...never a problem...never.......