Gatorade..............its great!

[Nelson Montana]

Nelson you're always in opposition to the cocensus of most people. Were you always the squeaky wheel expecting the grease?

I'll admit you have some informative posts based on facts and conceivable theories, but some of your statements are totally off the wall in regards to clomid, cardio, and HCG(of all things to try to disprove). Get real bro.

HCG has been used by many athletes with great results, to initially restore normal endocrine function, and has worked time and time again, regardless of dose, duration and type of AAS used.
I also know quite a few endocronologists,urologists,andrologists who all know it to be very efficacious and have been using it for years with very good results followed by you guessed it...clomid.

I'm running off on a tangent here. However as far as gatorade being garbage, that's a bold statement to be making.

I guess you could make a similar preperation on your own, but the fact remains it is supportive in athletics because of the propper mixture of glucose-fructose as well as the ingredients used to restore electrolytes, there is also sunflower oil added in to control the release of glucose in order to avoid rapid insulin spikes. Gatorade is a muti-million dollar product. You think they haven't put in their dues towards R+D. Then there 's the possibility of other beneficial ingredients in their products, that are not listed, due to competetive reasons.

I think comparing Gade to a candy bar is like comparing pro-hormones to quality AAS.

BTW..GH secretion peaks 30-40 minutes after exercise, that is why it is reccomended to wait until the GH peaks before you slam down your PW shake, to avoid compromising your GH spike with a robust insulin spike, and I think insulin spikes will be miniscule when using R-ALA which is how this post originated.

I don't make my conclusions on issues from a couple of opinions, or a couple of journal abstracts. I use a compilation of periodicals, feedback from many experienced athletes and of course my own personal experience before I can draw definitive conclusions.

B32

YOu are so wrong in so many ways, I don't know where to begin.

You're taking on too many arguments. Clomid? I got shit for that one and now more and more people are realizing my finding were indeed correct. Get with the program.

Cardio? Don't get me started. But anyone who has actually read all the evidence and applied it will tell you I'm right.

Concerning HCG. I gave the reports of a blood test. Blood tests don't lie bro. But believe what you want. You don't have to believe the earth is round either if you dont want to.

Gatorade spent millions of dollars in R&D?

GET A CLUE DUDE!

They spend it on trying to get a good tasting product they can market to kids -- not on the benefits to bodybuilders.

And if you think I'm just tryng to be oppositional, this time you're really wrong. I'd say most anyone in the field who knows what they're talking about will tell you that sugar is junk food. Gatorade is SUGAR WATER.

I can't even believe that people on ths board are even seriously discussing this.

And as far as that study; man, take that with a BIG grain of salt. Carbs increase energy, increase muscle volume and prevent cortisol? No fuck! This is why I've been saying that low carb diest are bad. But of course, then I'll get shit for that one too.

 

[BodyByFinaplix]

Nelson, I can believe they discuss it. Alot of really good bros are clueless about nutrition, and what they really should and shouldn't be eating. Thank god for some people having good genetics and stacking tren/t3/clen, or we wouldn't have many cut bodybuilders out there. Seriously, without decent genetics and a boatload of drugs, some cutting diets I've seen used with success would be a total disaster. These guys don't realize that they could probably eat the same amount of calories in junk food and fast food, and achieve the same results they got with their drug stack...the one's with decent genetics for being lean at least. Of course, remove their genetics or drugs... and its would be a different story.

 

[Mr.Nobody]

Weight training exercise with CHO ingestion resulted in significantly greater gains in both type I (19.1%) and type II (22.5%) muscle fibre area than weight training exercise alone

Forget the fight over gatorade or powerade or sugar water or whatever. Read above. What more do you guys need? Gatorade is an example and was chosen due to its convenience.....be my guest and mix your own 6% CHO solution....

 

[Nelson Montana]

Nelson, I can believe they discuss it. Alot of really good bros are clueless about nutrition, and what they really should and shouldn't be eating. Thank god for some people having good genetics and stacking tren/t3/clen, or we wouldn't have many cut bodybuilders out there. Seriously, without decent genetics and a boatload of drugs, some cutting diets I've seen used with success would be a total disaster. These guys don't realize that they could probably eat the same amount of calories in junk food and fast food, and achieve the same results they got with their drug stack...the one's with decent genetics for being lean at least. Of course, remove their genetics or drugs... and its would be a different story.

You are so right.

I'd say that 95% of the conclusions made on diet are based on nothing but erroneous preconceptions. Figure in all the variables, (such as drugs) and you can come to any conclusion you want to -- even something as stupid as thinking drinking sugar water helps grow muscle, which is about the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

And do you know why this happens? It's because of what I've been saying for years. All this nutritional manipulating, timing shit has almost nothing to do with the way you look. Anyone who has had succes with it had succes due to other factors, such as training, drugs or caloric and protein intake.

I know this pisses people off. I know people don't want to believe it. I know that it goes against established thinking. But it is right. I would bet my eyes on it.

 

[BodyByFinaplix]

Nelson, oh I believe WHAT you eat is important, I am a Nutritional Science major, but most bodybuilders work completely off of misconceptions perpetrated by guru's with no background in the field, and only achieve results due to genetics and or drugs combined with reduced calories. Someone without those genetics (me for example) would NEVER have abes trying to use alot of the BS principles you see bodybuilders using. Especally without the help of thyroid hormones and other such drugs. I'm refer to things like "not eating carbs and fat in the same meal", "eat alot of high GI carbs when trying to put on size", "eat more protien if you want to spare muscle tissue while dieting".

I will agree with you that drinking corn syrup (main sugar in most sports drinks) will do very little in the way of building muscle, and actually I could make a somewhat reasonable arguement that in some cases may reduce gains.

You are right on caloric intake and high protien being EVERYTHING to muscle growth. It doesn't matter if you eat high GI carbs, low GI carbs, NO CARBS for days at a time, if you total caloric intake and protien intake is high enough, you will grow fairly efficently in response to your training. Once heavy doses of steroids are introduces, these things become even less important. The drugs provide a curve.

 

[Ulter]

For all those posting the Gatorade is all marketing that they don't spend on R&D simply don't know what you're talking about.
Gatorade was invented at the University of Florida, not by some marketing firm. They maintain an excellent website showing their R&D and explaining the science behind the product. Like I said earlier I have friends who work in this Barrington facility. They have hooked up everyone from MJ and Mia Hamm to Lance Armstrong and Michael Johnson, as well as amatuer marathoners like Michelle Power, to learn more about how the worlds best athletes respond to their product. They rely very heavily on their R&D. You people have to understand that just because a company or concept is bought by another company who wants to make a profit from it doesn't make the product less significant or effective.

http://www.gssiweb.com/

 

[Nelson Montana]

For all those posting the Gatorade is all marketing that they don't spend on R&D simply don't know what you're talking about.
Gatorade was invented at the University of Florida, not by some marketing firm. They maintain an excellent website showing their R&D and explaining the science behind the product. Like I said earlier I have friends who work in this Barrington facility. They have hooked up everyone from MJ and Mia Hamm to Lance Armstrong and Michael Johnson, as well as amatuer marathoners like Michelle Power, to learn more about how the worlds best athletes respond to their product. They rely very heavily on their R&D. You people have to understand that just because a company or concept is bought by another company who wants to make a profit from it doesn't make the product less significant or effective.

http://www.gssiweb.com/

Please tell me you don't really believe this. Did they actually conduct research to figure out that you lose salt , potassium and carbs during exertion?

They got millions of dollars to come up with an artifically flavored orange drink with corn sryup, sodium and potassium?


I'm in the wrong business.

 

[Frackal]

Ironically I have been getting gatorade at Sams Club in large quantities and using it with 1 glucorell-r preworkout...and it definitely works better than anything I've used thus far.

 

[Ulter]

Yes Nelson, I really believe that the University of Florida was granted a patent by the US patent office because they developed a drink that replenished lost electrolytes and carbs.

 

[Transporter]

u can take dextrose preworkout and mix with cool aid and u will get same results.
why spend money for gatorade>?